Conservatives reveal final tax cut
Conservatives reveal final tax cut
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JagLover

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46,739 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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The Conservatives have revealed their final tax cut.

They will raise the threshold that stamp duty is paid on house purchases from £120K to £250K. At that level virtually all starter homes will be exempt from stamp duty.

All in all I think a good area for tax cuts.



>>> Edited by JagLover on Friday 22 April 16:19

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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That was revealed yesterday wasnt it?

Bloody good idea though, it would make me look a little more seriously into the housing market...

JagLover

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264 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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Plotloss said:
That was revealed yesterday wasnt it?

Bloody good idea though, it would make me look a little more seriously into the housing market...


Bit behind the news at the moment Plotloss-

Yes it is a good idea and, unlike their other tax proposals, would help the young.

Twincam16

27,647 posts

287 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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Brilliant idea, I'm surprised students and graduates aren't more interested in the Tories, after all, they'd really get rid of tuition fees, and make it easier for you to buy a house.

But no, they all vote for the Lib Dems, who would get rid of some people's tuition fees, hike others up, Local Income Tax would ensure that first time buyers end up in the worst areas with unsaleable houses, then they get walloped for aspiring with the Graduate Tax that the Lib Dems have been quiet about - essentially a tax that 'pays' for universities by essentially penalising those people who it has helped into a good job.

Duncan23

142 posts

263 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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Twincam16 said:
Local Income Tax would ensure that first time buyers end up in the worst areas with unsaleable houses

I don't understand this statement. Care to explain? The rest makes sense...

JagLover

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Friday 22nd April 2005
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Duncan23 said:

Twincam16 said:
Local Income Tax would ensure that first time buyers end up in the worst areas with unsaleable houses


I don't understand this statement. Care to explain? The rest makes sense...


Under a local tax-the young who are well paid, who are either staying in rental accomodation or at home, will be penalised and will find it more difficult to save up for a deposit.

james_j

3,996 posts

284 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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As most economists would say, stamp duty on houses makes no sense at all.

Why penalise people for buying a house, or moving up to a larger one? It doesn't actually bring in that much revenue for the government anyway (well, compared to all the other taxes we pay).

Twincam16

27,647 posts

287 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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JagLover said:

Duncan23 said:


Twincam16 said:
Local Income Tax would ensure that first time buyers end up in the worst areas with unsaleable houses



I don't understand this statement. Care to explain? The rest makes sense...



Under a local tax-the young who are well paid, who are either staying in rental accomodation or at home, will be penalised and will find it more difficult to save up for a deposit.


There you go, what he said.

Soundwave

209 posts

258 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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I think this is a good idea especially as seeing within the next 12months I'd like to get on that there property ladder, just need to start making some cutbacks & I'll be laughing all the way to Northern Rock

Soundwave

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258 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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anonymous said:
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LMFAO

NorthernBoy

12,642 posts

286 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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JagLover said:
The Conservatives have revealed their final tax cut.

They will raise the threshold that stamp duty is paid on house purchases from £120K to £250K. At that level virtually all starter homes will be exempt from stamp duty.

All in all I think a good area for tax cuts.



>>> Edited by JagLover on Friday 22 April 16:19


So they are going to add to house price inflation then.

And they think this is good for the economy.

It'd be funny of it wasn't so tragic.

Twincam16

27,647 posts

287 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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I'm not so sure - if stamp duty was cut, people wouldn't seek to recover the costs by inflating the house price would they?

Jaglover

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Sunday 24th April 2005
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NorthernBoy said:



So they are going to add to house price inflation then.

And they think this is good for the economy.

It'd be funny of it wasn't so tragic.


Stamp duty has a large impact on house prices around its thresholds, but I have seen no data that lifting the starting band to 250K will result in house price inflation. What it will do is return stamp duty on housing to its previous level in relation to prices. At one time 60K or under could get you a starter home-now in the south you need 160-250K.

Ideally Stamp duty on houses would be abolished altogether because it is a tax on the free movement of labour.

Alex

9,978 posts

313 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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NorthernBoy said:

JagLover said:
The Conservatives have revealed their final tax cut.

They will raise the threshold that stamp duty is paid on house purchases from £120K to £250K. At that level virtually all starter homes will be exempt from stamp duty.

All in all I think a good area for tax cuts.



>>> Edited by JagLover on Friday 22 April 16:19



So they are going to add to house price inflation then.

And they think this is good for the economy.

It'd be funny of it wasn't so tragic.


Cutting Stamp Duty is tragic? What next, a tax on windows?

I'm disappointed the Tories haven't pledged to scrap it completely. Raising the threshold to £250k will have no effect on buyers in the South.

Jaglover

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Sunday 24th April 2005
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Alex said:


I'm disappointed the Tories haven't pledged to scrap it completely. Raising the threshold to £250k will have no effect on buyers in the South.


It will actually Alex-in the suburbs and surrounding countryside you can get at least a two bed roomed often three bed roomed house for less then 250K.

Alex

9,978 posts

313 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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Alright, what I meant is that it will have no effect on me!

Jaglover

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Sunday 24th April 2005
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Alex said:
Alright, what I meant is that it will have no effect on me!


It would on me though-one of the reasons I am so keen

oyster

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277 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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NorthernBoy said:

So they are going to add to house price inflation then.

And they think this is good for the economy.

It'd be funny of it wasn't so tragic.


Won't it actually have the opposite effect near the threshold of £250K?

If you are selling a house valued at around the £260-280K mark, there would be even greater pressure to accept £249,995 now.

Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

313 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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oyster said:

NorthernBoy said:

So they are going to add to house price inflation then.

And they think this is good for the economy.

It'd be funny of it wasn't so tragic.



Won't it actually have the opposite effect near the threshold of £250K?

If you are selling a house valued at around the £260-280K mark, there would be even greater pressure to accept £249,995 now.

No... Even if you were selling at £260k, if the buyer want to drop to £249,999 and avoid the stamp duty, you just tell him the price is £260k and you'll pay the stamp duty for him. You're still better off.

Zod

35,295 posts

287 months

Sunday 24th April 2005
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NorthernBoy said:

JagLover said:
The Conservatives have revealed their final tax cut.

They will raise the threshold that stamp duty is paid on house purchases from £120K to £250K. At that level virtually all starter homes will be exempt from stamp duty.

All in all I think a good area for tax cuts.



>>> Edited by JagLover on Friday 22 April 16:19



So they are going to add to house price inflation then.

And they think this is good for the economy.

It'd be funny of it wasn't so tragic.
The logic of your argument is that stamp duty is the antidote to house price inflation. That has been Labour's answer to every macro-economic problem: don't deal with the cause, deal with the symptom. The result is distortion of the market. House prices continue to rise in areas where the effect of stamp duty is barely noticeable and they stagnate in areas where the effect hurts. Worse than that, the amount of the stamp duty itself affects price bands because of the iniqutious, stupid decision of Gordon "prudent" Brown to make each step-up in the duty bands apply to the whole purchase price. That in itself is ample proof of his lack of any understanding of economics.