Gerrards Cross Tunnel Collapse
Gerrards Cross Tunnel Collapse
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john_p

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279 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Thousands of tons of rubble on the line - and thats assuming no more of it comes down or has to be pulled down.

What a screwup - design or build error? That area was supposed to be the car park. If it collapsed with no load on top, what about the rest of it?



More info here (which is where the photo came from) and BBC (BTW, look at the van that some idiot parked on top of the part-collapsed tunnel)

>> Edited by john_p on Friday 1st July 12:33

vetteheadracer

8,273 posts

282 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Weird....the van is in the picture on the BBC site but not on the picture you posted......

john_p

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Friday 1st July 2005
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I think the main photo was taken very early, and the BBC article not long after. Might be wrong though - BTW does it look like the tunnel has dipped a bit more on the BBC site?

Marki

15,763 posts

299 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Oh how IKB would laugh

AC79xxx

62,260 posts

278 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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john_p said:
What a screwup - design or build error? That area was supposed to be the car park. If it collapsed with no load on top, what about the rest of it?


It will probably all be condemend as they can't secure the tunnel to clear the rubble and debris off the line.

I hope the contractor has his PI up to date.

PetrolTed

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332 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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The BMW showrooms there have closed down

PetrolTed

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Friday 1st July 2005
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This is one of those schemes where Prescott overruled the local planning authority.

Why? It's hardly an important issue whether Gerrards Cross has a big supermarket or not (plenty within a short drive).

john_p

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Eric Mc

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wanty1974

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277 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Now, I'm no builder, but doesn't that seem to be a very thin bit of reinforced concrete arch to hold up all that hardcore? I know that arches are meant to distribute load effectively, but it only seems about 15cm thick...

Bloody Tescos.

Munter

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Friday 1st July 2005
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mrs_knee

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Friday 1st July 2005
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I worked in Gerrards Cross 16 years ago and this Tesco was being planned then but there was so much opposition from the locals that we assumed that it wouldn't go ahead.

I wonder if this will put a stop to it!

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dds1

1,407 posts

287 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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PetrolTed said:
The BMW showrooms there have closed down


not for long, I think they are moving to a new site.

A friend of mine is trying to buy the old showroom and use it for his car business

Mon Ami Mate

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297 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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PetrolTed said:
This is one of those schemes where Prescott overruled the local planning authority.

Why? It's hardly an important issue whether Gerrards Cross has a big supermarket or not (plenty within a short drive).


This Tesco will be very much in demand when Prescott announces next year that 40,000 affordable homes for "key workers" will be built in true blue South Bucks...

john_p

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Friday 1st July 2005
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Yep, Wycombe is now the place. Still, it's not like there aren't about 10 other BMW dealerships within a 30 minute drive..


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PetrolTed

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332 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Both showrooms have closed and moved to the new large one at High Wycombe.

I'm no engineer but from what I could see the arches were some sort of steel reinforced concrete.

Mikey G

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269 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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wanty1974 said:
Now, I'm no builder, but doesn't that seem to be a very thin bit of reinforced concrete arch to hold up all that hardcore? I know that arches are meant to distribute load effectively, but it only seems about 15cm thick...

Bloody Tescos.


Now i'm no engineer either but my guess is that its a bit thicker than 15cm or do they use super small builders these days?

Bee_Jay

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277 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Mon Ami Mate said:

PetrolTed said:
This is one of those schemes where Prescott overruled the local planning authority.

Why? It's hardly an important issue whether Gerrards Cross has a big supermarket or not (plenty within a short drive).



This Tesco will be very much in demand when Prescott announces next year that 40,000 affordable homes for "key workers" will be built in true blue South Bucks...


I severely doubt this will happen, the policy review documents are due soon. Far too much against this at the moment...

Fatboy

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301 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Marki said:
Oh how IKB would laugh

His track record with London tunnels wasn't exactly flawless... (even though his probs were all due to crap surveyors)

meeja

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277 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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john_p said:

PetrolTed said:
This is one of those schemes where Prescott overruled the local planning authority.

Why? It's hardly an important issue whether Gerrards Cross has a big supermarket or not (plenty within a short drive).



Agree, the Tesco in Amersham is not 10 minutes away. I wonder if, umm, Tescos were "very persuasive".


Whilst I was on holiday a few weeks ago, I was watching something about this supermarket development (I think it was on BBC World) and without actually saying it, the programme implied that with the legal muscle that the supermarket company had at their disposal, they ALWAYS got their own way, regardless of the fears/objections etc of others.