Moslems aiming to root out the extremists...
Discussion
I am just watching a Moslem Labour MP on BBC News 24 who is saying how the Moslem community has had a real wake up call, and can no longer continue to ignore the extremists in their midst.
They have also just interviewed a young Moslem guy with the whole works, beard, traditional dress etc who was saying the exact same thing.
I find all this very heartening. I think our whole society should support the Moslem community in trying to change their attitudes and approach to this problem.
What do you think?
They have also just interviewed a young Moslem guy with the whole works, beard, traditional dress etc who was saying the exact same thing.
I find all this very heartening. I think our whole society should support the Moslem community in trying to change their attitudes and approach to this problem.
What do you think?
I tend to agree, however I also think we as a predominantly white and christian" society should be doing more to ensure the likes of the BNP should be a thing of the past too.
Oh and the animal rights nutters too - how do we stop them?
Extremism of any sort is a bad thing but very difficult to stop.
Phil
Oh and the animal rights nutters too - how do we stop them?
Extremism of any sort is a bad thing but very difficult to stop.
Phil
Mannginger said:
I tend to agree, however I also think we as a predominantly white and christian" society should be doing more to ensure the likes of the BNP should be a thing of the past too.
Yes, and
968 said:
I think we should support the wider Muslim community, to try and root out all the potential trouble makers. I think this will hopefully demonstrate to people that Muslims are just as interested in maintaining a peaceful society, as anybody else.
Yes.
How on earth does the Quaida manage to reach these souls who kill themselves and other people randomly ? I read that one of them was married and had a child and even had a regular job with a good income ! How do they manage to completely turn him around to give up his life and all he has to become a killer ? That's a new spam of the worst kind.
parrot of doom said:
I've never seen or heard of a BNP member blow themselves up.
Sadly neither have i, though i'd pay for the explosives happily.
If the Muslim community is determined to root out these people, then they should be given all the support and resources necessary. Although quite how you go about finding out who these nutters are given that they are experts at appearing "normal" is a bit of a mystery to me.
Why is it considered OK to bash those with extreme right wing views, but not those with extreme left wing/communist views? Hitler always gets wheeled out whenever the subject of genocide comes up, but rarely does Stalin's name crop up in such discussions.
I happen not to hold such views BTW, but I dread a culture in which opinions are policed as if they were actions.
I happen not to hold such views BTW, but I dread a culture in which opinions are policed as if they were actions.
monkeyhanger said:
I've never seen or heard of a BNP member blow themselves up.
Sadly neither have i, though i'd pay for the explosives happily.
If the Muslim community is determined to root out these people, then they should be given all the support and resources necessary. Although quite how you go about finding out who these nutters are given that they are experts at appearing "normal" is a bit of a mystery to me.
:rant on: Er me thinks it would not be rocket science to stop this rot, the rabble rousers are well known (Abu Hamsa "the hook" for one) should be booted out of the country or tried for treason (firing squad) at the least, sadly we are governed by a bunch of lilly livered, politically correct do gooders that cant see the wood for the trees.Instead we allow these perveyors of poison and racial hatred to pox off of our hard earned and extorted tax money, and allow them to continue to preach thier anti west, anti anything non muslim clap trap to a clearly suseptible audience.
These so called "Muslim Clerics" should be shown no sympathy and should be expelled from our country forth with, along with thier supporters. Let them sit in mud huts or caves in the country of thier origin, in the poverty they left behind and speak out against the west.
:rant off:
Just a thought. I hear of all the "good and peace" of the Koran, yet speak of Jesus or get caught with a Bible in some of these countries and you get jailed or executed. Perhaps that is why many came to the West. Are there any plans for Muslim communities in the West to mount a "PR" campaigne to change the way their home countries view "tolerance", or do "our" Muslims feel that is how "infidels" should naturally be treated? Not a flame, just would like a Muslim thought.
yertis said:
Why is it considered OK to bash those with extreme right wing views, but not those with extreme left wing/communist views? Hitler always gets wheeled out whenever the subject of genocide comes up, but rarely does Stalin's name crop up in such discussions.
I happen not to hold such views BTW, but I dread a culture in which opinions are policed as if they were actions.
We do bash left wing views (on this site), so both views get bashed pretty well imo
Personally, I think Stalin and Hitler went so far in either direction that they sort of came together on the other side. I don't know if the references to Hitler are more common because he was the cause of a great war that affected many nations, rather than Stalin, whom no one really stood up to during the Cold War. Was it a more popular, and maybe safer topic in generations-worth of history books because the cruelties of the Soviet Union and Cultural Revolution in China were continuing, unresolved, that hadn't been triumphed over? I don't know.
Despite the fact that their politics are nominally opposites, the cruelty, suppressions of freedom of speech, religion, and thought, and the killing off of entire groups of people, makes them seem rather similar. Even if those actions were to forward opposing ideals. In my mind, I've sort of lumped them all together because of that. If you didn't know their official views, you can hardly tell the difference between them by what they did to their people.
shirley temple said:
monkeyhanger said:
parrot of doom said:
I've never seen or heard of a BNP member blow themselves up.
Sadly neither have i, though i'd pay for the explosives happily.
If the Muslim community is determined to root out these people, then they should be given all the support and resources necessary. Although quite how you go about finding out who these nutters are given that they are experts at appearing "normal" is a bit of a mystery to me.
Er me thinks it would not be rocket science to stop this rot, the rabble rousers are well known (Abu Hamsa "the hook" for one) should be booted out of the country or tried for treason (firing squad) at the least, sadly we are governed by a bunch of lilly livered, politically correct do gooders that cant see the wood for the trees.Instead we allow these perveyors of poison and racial hatred to pox off of our hard earned and extorted tax money, and allow them to continue to preach thier anti west, anti anything non muslim clap trap to a clearly suseptible audience.
These so called "Muslim Clerics" should be shown no sympathy and should be expelled from our country forth with, along with thier supporters. Let them sit in mud huts or caves in the country of thier origin, in the poverty they left behind and speak out against the west.
:rant off:
There is the argument that if they're in a cave on the other side of the planet, then it's more difficult to track what they're going to do next.
On the other hand, given our tracking performance in this instance I'm beginning to think that the best plan is to shut them all in a cave on the other side of the planet, and seal it up.
I think you hit the nail on the head though, with the "wood for trees thing". The overall strategy at a national level is just not connected enough.
If you're going to let them in without asking too many questions, then have similarly coherent and backed plans for the military, security services, foreign intelligence services, and police.
It seems to me that the only coherent thing that was done was to devise the "Black Special" state of alert.
Edited to add;
I'd forgotten about the "Tanks at Heathrow" firefighting special!
It might sound sick, but it might make you think about how knee jerk, centralised, and out of control the state is.
Maybe this happened because Tony couldn't get our tanks down into the Underground.
>> Edited by dilbert on Friday 15th July 02:15
Hansgerd said:
How on earth does the Quaida manage to reach these souls who kill themselves and other people randomly ? I read that one of them was married and had a child and even had a regular job with a good income ! How do they manage to completely turn him around to give up his life and all he has to become a killer ? That's a new spam of the worst kind.
They reach them as easily as the other nutters reach other weaklings, see especially religious and political extremists. They seek out the mentally weak, lonely, backboneless, unhappy, and "give them a home".....and you wonder why the Communists, Greenies, Adventists, Moonies, Mormons or whoever eagerly ring your doorbell? It's just a step further and a grade higher using the same sorry type of lost people!!!
Let me give you a personal example, I was in a miners club in East Lothian visiting family. I was verbally and almost physically attacked by one of these weaklings, who'd been converted by the communist party, who attacked me as being one of the "oppressors who subjugated east germany" because I lived (at the time) in West Berlin. FFS!!!!.
I asked this eejit if he'd ever been there, Yes! And in what direction are the "defenses" pointing...???? Speechless but then immediate rant, "you're not a real soldier I landed on D-Day and saw action".....Well I just gave up..... converted and perverted!!!Knows SFA about history, just believed what the local commie b4$stard shop steward had told him!!!!
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 15th July 07:34
jimbeaux said:
Just a thought. I hear of all the "good and peace" of the Koran, yet speak of Jesus or get caught with a Bible in some of these countries and you get jailed or executed. Perhaps that is why many came to the West. Are there any plans for Muslim communities in the West to mount a "PR" campaigne to change the way their home countries view "tolerance", or do "our" Muslims feel that is how "infidels" should naturally be treated? Not a flame, just would like a Muslim thought.
sorry but that view is factually incorrect.
Yes in some of the more extreme states christianity is certainly perscuted, but in the many muslims countries across the world, there are churches and large numbers of christians.
Our media normally cant be bothered telling us about it because its not a negative story.
And as has been mentioned in these threads recently, Jesus is one of the main prophets in islam, so I doubt you would get persecuted if you mentioned his name in even the extreme states.
Many of these countries certainly are not backward, and not everyone lives in "mudhuts" (i know you didnt say that)
I totally agree that PR is something that certainly needs addressing.
Muslims arent known for hiring clever agents to make them say the right thing and look a certain "appealing " way, but it might really be worth considering.
I can only think of one muslim MP (shahid Malik) who speaks with the sort of gravity and charisma that Great Britain and more importantly young muslims males might listen to. (dont agree with lots of his leftie views tho)
I cant imagine many of these lads taking Iqbal Sacranie that seroiusly, despite his genuine intentions, because he is like the boring uncle most of them would avoid.
Shame there isnt someone with the profile of Imran Khan in this country. He is someone who speaks, and people listen.
From everything I have heard the 3 identified bombers all appear to have lead "normal" lives and were not on any MI5 / IS lists. Even the local Muslim community didn't suspect they would turn out to be bombers.
I applaud the intentions of the muslim community to root out the extremists, but unfortunately it is not that simple.
Most extremist don't have "I am a potential suicide bomber" taatoo'd on their foreheads......
I applaud the intentions of the muslim community to root out the extremists, but unfortunately it is not that simple.
Most extremist don't have "I am a potential suicide bomber" taatoo'd on their foreheads......
yertis said:
Why is it considered OK to bash those with extreme right wing views, but not those with extreme left wing/communist views?
I've seen much more left bashing than right bashing on PH!
Though I think the reason it's considered acceptable to bash right-wing views is because these days people are a lot more aware of political correctness and since the right-wing is generally anti non-white then people find it unpalatable to support an ideology that views non-whites as second class citizens.
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