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It's all down to the length of your barrel 
Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
Hand guns don't have rifling as the barrel is too short so the bullet is fired without the spinning effect.
Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
Hand guns don't have rifling as the barrel is too short so the bullet is fired without the spinning effect.
Gazboy said:
I know jack shit about guns btw.
What makes a rifle so much more powerful, than a hand gun of the same caliber (thinks back to a program showing the impact of a Desert Eagle .50 vs an AK47, with a melon as the medium/target)?
The bullets of a rifle are much larger (contain more propellant) thus have a much higher velocity than a hand gun, additionally rifle rounds are more aerodynamic (i beleive the v2 rocket was modelled after a rifle round).
vetteheadracer said:
It's all down to the length of your barrel
Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
Hand guns don't have rifling as the barrel is too short so the bullet is fired without the spinning effect.
Nope, Rifleing is used in Handguns and is there to improve accuracy.
Rifles simply have a much bigger charge than handguns, and a most have a more aerodynamic bullet.
vetteheadracer said:
It's all down to the length of your barrel
Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
Hand guns don't have rifling as the barrel is too short so the bullet is fired without the spinning effect.
Sorry old boy but while barrel length does have some effect, you're way off course with the rest!
The spin imparted by rifling improves accuracy not power, and handguns do have rifled barrels. Power comes down to kinetic energy; half the mass times the velocity squared, so the heavier the bullet and the higher the velocity the more power.
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Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
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I believe the rifling would cause a decrease in velocity due to increased friction, it however increases stability because of the gyroscopic effect of its spinning.
I might be wrong though, just a guess
Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
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I believe the rifling would cause a decrease in velocity due to increased friction, it however increases stability because of the gyroscopic effect of its spinning.
I might be wrong though, just a guess
Much more load in a rifle cartridge. Ie, a bigger bang behind a similar sized projectile.
Rifle breaches are much fatter to allow for a larger load.
Think I've seen some target range Desert Eagles with a longer barrel and a fatter breach. Not sure if they use a bigger load though.
AK47 is 7.62mm, or 0.308 inch, wheras a 0.50 inch Desert Eagle round is probably a bit heavier, so slower, and also more drag as it's got a larger frontal area and not as pointy, so less penetration if a full metal jacket too.
Never understood the appeal of the Desert Eagle 0.50 when James Bond manages with his Walther PPK weener gun.
Dave
Rifle breaches are much fatter to allow for a larger load.
Think I've seen some target range Desert Eagles with a longer barrel and a fatter breach. Not sure if they use a bigger load though.
AK47 is 7.62mm, or 0.308 inch, wheras a 0.50 inch Desert Eagle round is probably a bit heavier, so slower, and also more drag as it's got a larger frontal area and not as pointy, so less penetration if a full metal jacket too.
Never understood the appeal of the Desert Eagle 0.50 when James Bond manages with his Walther PPK weener gun.
Dave
vetteheadracer said:
It's all down to the length of your barrel
Seriously, I believe that the rifling (this is what causes the bullet to spin) that is a spiral groove or set of grooves inside the barrel mean that the bullet goes faster and therefore on impact it has more energy hence more damage.
Hand guns don't have rifling as the barrel is too short so the bullet is fired without the spinning effect.
I'm certainly no gun expert, but my understanding was that rifling was an aid to accuracy rather than range. In fact, I rather suspect that due to energy being consumed to spin the bullet, it may be detrimental to range.
Mr Whippy said:
Never understood the appeal of the Desert Eagle 0.50 when James Bond manages with his Walther PPK weener gun.
Your chances of surviving a shot to the torso with a desert eagle are virtually none, im not sure a Walther PPK would be powerfull enough to garuantee a kill. Wouldnt know really, never having owned any of those weapons (i have played with a .50 handgun before - overseas of course). Is the PPK a .38 ?
I stand corrected
I wonder if there are any bullets which fit both a rifle and a handgun of a similar calibre?
If so, perhaps we should carry out some tests to measure the kinetic energy imparted by the bullet upon arrival at a suitable target....
.....suitable target has got me thinking now........
I wonder if there are any bullets which fit both a rifle and a handgun of a similar calibre?
If so, perhaps we should carry out some tests to measure the kinetic energy imparted by the bullet upon arrival at a suitable target....
.....suitable target has got me thinking now........Mr Whippy said:
Never understood the appeal of the Desert Eagle 0.50 when James Bond manages with his Walther PPK weener gun.
Dave
Because unlike in the films, short a head shot, you might have to fire 6 rounds to take someone down with a PPK, whereas with a .50 round you could do the same with one.
Stopping power, thats what its all about. All guns can kill, but what is much more important is stopping the enemy coming towards you or reacting once shot.
Example of rifling:
trivia: for "Doctor No" they used an actual handgun barrel. For all others it was just a post production effect, etc iirc
Most rifle bullets can be identified by a flanged end that tapers down to a larger bottom end. They contain more powder grains therefor deliver more impact power than comparibly sized handgun ammunition.
The increased power can actually force the bullet to spin faster through the rifling grooves. The consequences of which are a tunneling or "sprall" effect when they hit something semi-soft. A good example of that is the 5.56mm NATO round. It does more than wound, it incapacitates without blowing a barn door through your foe (unlike the standard 7.65x39mm ak47 round).
ErnestM
trivia: for "Doctor No" they used an actual handgun barrel. For all others it was just a post production effect, etc iirc
Most rifle bullets can be identified by a flanged end that tapers down to a larger bottom end. They contain more powder grains therefor deliver more impact power than comparibly sized handgun ammunition.
The increased power can actually force the bullet to spin faster through the rifling grooves. The consequences of which are a tunneling or "sprall" effect when they hit something semi-soft. A good example of that is the 5.56mm NATO round. It does more than wound, it incapacitates without blowing a barn door through your foe (unlike the standard 7.65x39mm ak47 round).
ErnestM
scorp said:
Never understood the appeal of the Desert Eagle 0.50 when James Bond manages with his Walther PPK weener gun.
Your chances of surviving a shot to the torso with a desert eagle are virtually none, im not sure a Walther PPK would be powerfull enough to garuantee a kill. Wouldnt know really, never having owned any of those weapons (i have played with a .50 handgun before - overseas of course). Is the PPK a .38 ?
Most PPK's are chambered for either .32 caliber (more rare) or .380 caliber. .380 is actuall 9mm kurtz (shortened version of a 9mm). Mine is .380 and it does deliver a wallop.
ErnestM
ErnestM said:
Mr Whippy said:
Never understood the appeal of the Desert Eagle 0.50 when James Bond manages with his Walther PPK weener gun.
Your chances of surviving a shot to the torso with a desert eagle are virtually none, im not sure a Walther PPK would be powerfull enough to garuantee a kill. Wouldnt know really, never having owned any of those weapons (i have played with a .50 handgun before - overseas of course). Is the PPK a .38 ?
Most PPK's are chambered for either .32 caliber (more rare) or .380 caliber. .380 is actuall 9mm kurtz (shortened version of a 9mm). Mine is .380 and it does deliver a wallop.
ErnestM
Haha you crazy Americans, over here we only let criminals have guns. Much safer.
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