S.A.T. results for 7 year olds??.
S.A.T. results for 7 year olds??.
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dugless

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317 posts

262 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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After recieving my sons sat results I'm not to sure how good they are,I think they are good,but there no comparison... if you get my drift ?

He is 7 just now,8 next jan.

results were 3 across the board.

There is 2 , 2a , 2b , 2c , 3 & 4 results, but I don't know if other kids in his class are getting 4's etc,I havent a clue..

Would anyone mind sharing there kids results..

I am happy with my sons work,good or bad and to an extent a comparison isnt really needed,but as a caring parent,I'm just a little curious.

thanks.

Lois

14,706 posts

281 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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3 is what they are expected to get at that age.

the 11 year old SATS are average of 4 with range of 3,4,5.

Think the 14 year old ones are average 6 from 5,6,7.

david_s

7,960 posts

273 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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2 is generally what they are expected to get (2a in some I think). 3 is very good, if across the board then very good indeed. Key Stage 1 SATS are now teacher assessment only, not national tests.

percy

677 posts

298 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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3s across the board are better than average. A year 2 child (end of infants) is expected to achieve Level 2, with the majority achieving 2B (2A is the highest). Level 3 is given to higher achievers - this will be broken down into 3A, B or C when they are tested informally at the end of Year 3 (QCA non-statutory tests). Here is a brief explanation,

www.nfer.ac.uk/research-areas/assessment/national-curriculum-levels.cfm

But it sounds like your child is doing very well.

Edited to say that KS1 tests are not necessarily teacher assessment only....they do still have the national tests, it is at the discretion of the school as to which system they operate.

>> Edited by percy on Sunday 24th July 21:18

silverback mike

11,293 posts

282 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Mine has just had his results, he's 7 now, 8 in sept.

He had 2 2a's, the remainder were 3's. Happy with that really especially as he a keen sportsman(boy).

>> Edited by silverback mike on Sunday 24th July 21:25

david_s

7,960 posts

273 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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percy said:
3s across the board are better than average. A year 2 child (end of infants) is expected to achieve Level 2, with the majority achieving 2B (2A is the highest). Level 3 is given to higher achievers - this will be broken down into 3A, B or C when they are tested informally at the end of Year 3 (QCA non-statutory tests). Here is a brief explanation,

<a href="www.nfer.ac.uk/research-areas/assessment/national-curriculum-levels.cfm">www.nfer.ac.uk/research-areas/assessment/national-curriculum-levels.cfm</a>

But it sounds like your child is doing very well.

Edited to say that KS1 tests are not necessarily teacher assessment only....they do still have the national tests, it is at the discretion of the school as to which system they operate.

>> Edited by percy on Sunday 24th July 21:18


The KS1 SATS are taken at the end of key stage 1 (infants in old money), ie year 2. Year 3 would be key stage 2 (juniors).

percy

677 posts

298 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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david_s said:

percy said:
3s across the board are better than average. A year 2 child (end of infants) is expected to achieve Level 2, with the majority achieving 2B (2A is the highest). Level 3 is given to higher achievers - this will be broken down into 3A, B or C when they are tested informally at the end of Year 3 (QCA non-statutory tests). Here is a brief explanation,

<a href="www.nfer.ac.uk/research-areas/assessment/national-curriculum-levels.cfm"><a href="www.nfer.ac.uk/research-areas/assessment/national-curriculum-levels.cfm">www.nfer.ac.uk/research-areas/assessment/national-curriculum-levels.cfm</a></a>

But it sounds like your child is doing very well.

Edited to say that KS1 tests are not necessarily teacher assessment only....they do still have the national tests, it is at the discretion of the school as to which system they operate.

>> Edited by percy on Sunday 24th July 21:18



The KS1 SATS are taken at the end of key stage 1 (infants in old money), ie year 2. Year 3 would be key stage 2 (juniors).


That's what I said at the start of my reply !?!
Children are also tested at Year 3, 4, 5 and then have their Year 6 SATs.
When tested at Year 3 - the Level 3 achievement will be broken down into 3 A, B or C. The same happens for other levels as they get older. So a Year 3 child can attain Level 4, but it will not be categorised as A,B or C until Year 4 or Year 5.
I've been testing Primary school children as part of my job for the last umpteen years - even though I don't really agree with the pressure we're putting on our children.

whoateallthepies

4,292 posts

263 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Apologies for butting in but does this mean that two 4's and a 5 are good for a Year 6 (moving up this time), as I still don't get it (and don't really understand the point at this age)

Lois

14,706 posts

281 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Yes. I still remember doing mine!!
4's are average.
5's are above average.
So well done to the little'un

whoateallthepies

4,292 posts

263 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Thanks Lois, it's good to know that he is doing what we thought he could (and nice to see the 5 is in maths)

I was particularly pleased with his 4 in English, as he has shown a massive improvement there. Perhaps Harry Potter has something going for it after all, as he has finally caught the reading bug which I have suffered from for so long-he's even asking to read some of my books now (although I think I'll keep him off Stephen King)

Steve

groomi

9,331 posts

272 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Whatever happened to A, B and C or 10 out of 10?

Here you go kid. Do this test, and we'll give you a score so complicated that no matter how hard the teacher and your parents try to explain to you what it means, you still won't know whether you can take the p*ss out of your mates or knuckle down and get on with it.

I dispair, the world's gone mad.

FunkyNige

9,819 posts

304 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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groomi said:

I dispair, the world's gone mad.


The unfortunate thing is that the government's done such a good PR job on these damn tests that parents seem to care what their children get in them. All schools ever use them for is setting, which normal internal tests do equally well. I think pretty much all schools would much rather have 2 weeks of teaching than prepare and take these damn things.

percy

677 posts

298 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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FunkyNige said:

groomi said:

I dispair, the world's gone mad.



The unfortunate thing is that the government's done such a good PR job on these damn tests that parents seem to care what their children get in them. All schools ever use them for is setting, which normal internal tests do equally well. I think pretty much all schools would much rather have 2 weeks of teaching than prepare and take these damn things.

Well said.
Unfortunately for Year 6, it is more than 2 weeks. Most of the Spring Term is now taken up with revision and 'Booster Classes'. We would much rather go back to being able to teach and make learning interesting and fun.
Parents shouldn't really worry about levels at this age - I think it's more important that children enjoy their childhood, there's precious little of it left nowadays.
By all means be concerned if your child is underachieving/struggling etc, but forget whether Billy got a 2A or a 3 in his tests. My son has just taken his Yr2 SATs and I honestly can't recall what he got - but I do know that he can read well, add-up and tell me about Isembard Kingdom Brunel! More importantly - he likes school and has a great time there.

dugless

Original Poster:

317 posts

262 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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anonymous said:
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I'm, still not quite there...

at age 7 they are expected to get 3,so 3 is an average and 4 is above average ? or is this incorrect...

Are there any teachers on here that can shed some light on what the averages are for a 7 year child at the end of there 2nd year....

thanks for any help,me and my wife are just sitting having a chat about it and still feel a bit in the dark,and feel a bit thick .

cheers.

Lois

14,706 posts

281 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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They didn't have a's b's and c's when I did mine.

AFAIK at that age they are all expected to get a 2 at least. 3 being the average and 4 being above average.

percy

677 posts

298 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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At age 7, the expected level is Level 2.
The average is a 2B or 2A, depending on subject/cohort.
Level 3 is above average for a 7 year old in Year 2.
They have always been split into 2A,B,C.
2A is higher than 2B.
The one you want to avoid is 'W', this means Working towards Level 1!

turbobloke

117,173 posts

289 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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The 'expected' (by government) progression for the average pupil is approx one level every two years.

Primary schools iirc have a key indicator of %L4+ for the tests kids take at age 11 in Year 6 - called the end of Key Stage 2 - and the Secondary schools key indicator for the SATs at the end of Key Stage 3 in Year 9 when kids are 14 is %L5+. There are points scores and average points as well but don't go there. Are you keeping up at the back?

m1spw

5,999 posts

254 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Don't you think its shocking that only 1 in 10 children finish in the top 10% of the country? Standards are slipping...

turbobloke

117,173 posts

289 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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m1spw said:
Don't you think its shocking that only 1 in 10 children finish in the top 10% of the country? Standards are slipping...
All that, and nearly 50% are below average. Disgraceful. I blame teachers, parents and BLiar

groomi

9,331 posts

272 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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turbobloke said:

m1spw said:
Don't you think its shocking that only 1 in 10 children finish in the top 10% of the country? Standards are slipping...

All that, and nearly 50% are below average. Disgraceful. I blame teachers, parents and BLiar


Errrrm, excuse me for being thick (I went to school before these new-fangled SATS were introduced). Why is it strange for nearly 50% of kids to be below average? Shirley the average is taken as the middle score of all kids put together - ie. unless by some freak of nature all the kids scored 7 except one who scored 2, then one would expect half the kids to be below average and half to be above?

Note: I've just got back from the pub, so reserve the right to reconsider my opinion in the morning.