Iran and nuclear power
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Posted here because its related to International law - hope this is OK.
Question is, given that numerous countries already have not only nuclear power stations (or the ability to build them if they chose to) but also nuclear weapons, what roight to we have to tell Iran that they can't have them too ?
I can see why Bush and Bliar would want to limit the number of opponents they may face in the future but if we have nuclear power and weapons, what given us the right to tell other countries that they can't have them ?
I would say none, none whatsoever and we should stop tellig Iran what they can and can't do.
Question is, given that numerous countries already have not only nuclear power stations (or the ability to build them if they chose to) but also nuclear weapons, what roight to we have to tell Iran that they can't have them too ?
I can see why Bush and Bliar would want to limit the number of opponents they may face in the future but if we have nuclear power and weapons, what given us the right to tell other countries that they can't have them ?
I would say none, none whatsoever and we should stop tellig Iran what they can and can't do.
busa_rush said:
Posted here because its related to International law - hope this is OK.
Question is, given that numerous countries already have not only nuclear power stations (or the ability to build them if they chose to) but also nuclear weapons, what roight to we have to tell Iran that they can't have them too ?
I can see why Bush and Bliar would want to limit the number of opponents they may face in the future but if we have nuclear power and weapons, what given us the right to tell other countries that they can't have them ?
I would say none, none whatsoever and we should stop tellig Iran what they can and can't do.
If you really have to ask that question; then Iran's plans, whatever they are, are certainly looking up
>> Edited by jimbeaux on Monday 8th August 20:59
busa_rush said:
Posted here because its related to International law - hope this is OK.
Question is, given that numerous countries already have not only nuclear power stations (or the ability to build them if they chose to) but also nuclear weapons, what roight to we have to tell Iran that they can't have them too ?
I can see why Bush and Bliar would want to limit the number of opponents they may face in the future but if we have nuclear power and weapons, what given us the right to tell other countries that they can't have them ?
I would say none, none whatsoever and we should stop tellig Iran what they can and can't do.
So you feel quite comfortable that a hard-line theocracy that is not democratic may have nuclear weaponry?
The Genie is out of the bottle with regard to the US, GB, France etc having nuclear weapons, this is as a result of the cold war. However the aforementioned countries are also stable democracies.
The middle east is far from stable.
I don't think you have thought through your point.
anonymous said:
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That's the main worry! it has been demonstrated time and time again that the Islamic fundamentalists, and even less extreme groups have absolutely no quarms about giving up their lives for their faith, I am 100% sure they would not give a second thought to letting off nuclear weapons in any western civilised city. This is the main and very real difference between our two worlds, we give more thought to consequences (most of the time!!) of letting weapons this powerful anywhere. In democratic evolutionary terms, these countries simply arnt old enough and cannot under no circumstances be trusted with such a potential to wipe us all off the face of the earth!
>> Edited by chris watton on Monday 8th August 21:38
It has been pretty much agreed upon that the latest roadside bombs in Iraq were built in Iran. IF this turns out to be true, what is to stop them from handing over a nuke for similar purposes....think of the pothole that could make in the roadside! What if the London bombings had a nuclear flavor to them?? If Iran gets these things, we are a slither away. They would do this through third party agents so as not to be held directly responsible, thus, avoiding massive retaliation(so they believe). The EU is jumping through hoops like circus acts offering very generous packages as bribery to appease the Iranians. The Iranians, of course, have no intentions of accepting any of this, they simply use this time to get on with their work. They fully realize that the EU has no bite to back up their bark and, therefore, have no respect for anything they have to say. The standing EU threat of last resort is UN resolutions....oh the fear that must instill
>> Edited by jimbeaux on Monday 8th August 21:38
>> Edited by jimbeaux on Monday 8th August 21:38
chris watton said:
That's the main worry! it has been demonstrated time and time again that the Islamic fundamentalists, and even less extreme groups have absolutely no quarms about giving up their lives for their faith, I am 100% sure they would give a second thought to letting off nuclear weapons in and western civilised city. This is the main and very real difference between our two worlds, we give more thought to consequences (most of the time!!) of letting weapons this powerful anywhere.
interesting....so are you saying that the Iranian govt are Islamic extremists?
Are you also suggesting that somehow they would be willing to risk their country getting truly flattened by attacking us?
Im not saying Iran hasnt had links to terror. Clearly it has, but perhaps you perception is a little outdated. Modern Iran has come on quite a bit. They are trying yo modernise and improve relations with many countries.
I think we should be courting Iran as potential future ally not towing the usual American line with the idiotic axis of evil bollox.
peterpeter said:
anonymous said:[redacted]
That's the main worry! it has been demonstrated time and time again that the Islamic fundamentalists, and even less extreme groups have absolutely no quarms about giving up their lives for their faith, I am 100% sure they would give a second thought to letting off nuclear weapons in and western civilised city. This is the main and very real difference between our two worlds, we give more thought to consequences (most of the time!!) of letting weapons this powerful anywhere.
interesting....so are you saying that the Iranian govt are Islamic extremists?
Are you also suggesting that somehow they would be willing to risk their country getting truly flattened by attacking us?
Im not saying Iran hasnt had links to terror. Clearly it has, but perhaps you perception is a little outdated. Modern Iran has come on quite a bit. They are trying yo modernise and improve relations with many countries.
I think we should be courting Iran as potential future ally not towing the usual American line with the idiotic axis of evil bollox.
Well thats fine then! I sincerely hope you're right, as this is one scenario I would hate to be the one saying 'I told you so'!
My own personal view is that any of these middle eastern countries are highly dangerous and volotile with nuclear weapons, and would be more willing to use them, or, indeed, let them get into the wrong hands than any western country.
peterpeter said:
anonymous said:[redacted]
That's the main worry! it has been demonstrated time and time again that the Islamic fundamentalists, and even less extreme groups have absolutely no quarms about giving up their lives for their faith, I am 100% sure they would give a second thought to letting off nuclear weapons in and western civilised city. This is the main and very real difference between our two worlds, we give more thought to consequences (most of the time!!) of letting weapons this powerful anywhere.
interesting....so are you saying that the Iranian govt are Islamic extremists?
Are you also suggesting that somehow they would be willing to risk their country getting truly flattened by attacking us?
Im not saying Iran hasnt had links to terror. Clearly it has, but perhaps you perception is a little outdated. Modern Iran has come on quite a bit. They are trying yo modernise and improve relations with many countries.
I think we should be courting Iran as potential future ally not towing the usual American line with the idiotic axis of evil bollox.
I think you might be a bit out of date...
I hope not...but...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4126488.stm
I was listening to a broadcast from the US on Shortwave Radio, the other night. I have no idea who I was listening to, but the picture didn't sound too good for Iran.
Apparently there was a large document released, with the signatures of a number of senators.
It sounds like the outline scenario, is a large smouldering hole, where the nuclear program used to be.
I guess that's better, for the environment, than a hole in one of their breeders.
>> Edited by dilbert on Monday 8th August 22:43
Apparently there was a large document released, with the signatures of a number of senators.
It sounds like the outline scenario, is a large smouldering hole, where the nuclear program used to be.
I guess that's better, for the environment, than a hole in one of their breeders.
>> Edited by dilbert on Monday 8th August 22:43
anonymous said:
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It was a shame that this chap was elected president, and more than a few Iranians were dismayed by the decision, but then again, more than a few Americans were dismayed when a certain Dubya was re-elected.....
Interesting quote you used, it contained this passage, which was particularly interesting,
"After his endorsement by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei earlier this week, the new president said he would lobby for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction around the world and for international justice."
Not altogether bad ideas.......
An attack on Iran would be incredibly stupid, for a number of reasons, not least of which is the escalation in violence that would occur elsewhere in the world.
I read something recently along the lines of "if we ever get a nuke, we'll obliterate Israel. We'll all die in the retaliation, but at least the jews will be gone forever."
I don't think it was an Iranian politician, but it shows the thinking of many people in the region.
And in the recent Iranian election, didn't a hardline islamic conservative get elected over a liberal pro-west reformer?
I don't think it was an Iranian politician, but it shows the thinking of many people in the region.
And in the recent Iranian election, didn't a hardline islamic conservative get elected over a liberal pro-west reformer?
wedgepilot said:
I read something recently along the lines of "if we ever get a nuke, we'll obliterate Israel. We'll all die in the retaliation, but at least the jews will be gone forever."
I don't think it was an Iranian politician, but it shows the thinking of many people in the region.
And in the recent Iranian election, didn't a hardline islamic conservative get elected over a liberal pro-west reformer?
Hmmm.... yes, it would be interesting to find out exactly who said the comment. I don't think it shows the thinking of many people in the region at all, but shows the thinking of one person, that cannot even be sourced.
If you want to trawl through appalling diatribes and comments by a range of politicians from all countries around the world, I am sure you can find them, but I would say that none of the comments you would find would be representative of ANY of those regions.
968 said:
It was a shame that this chap was elected president, and more than a few Iranians were dismayed by the decision, but then again, more than a few Americans were dismayed when a certain Dubya was re-elected.....
Interesting quote you used, it contained this passage, which was particularly interesting,
"After his endorsement by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei earlier this week, the new president said he would lobby for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction around the world and for international justice."
Not altogether bad ideas.......
I agree, but I suspect that in practice he will seek to get nuclearweapons first with the justification that he can only lobby for the elimination of them globally if Iran has them.
Politics, politics...
anonymous said:
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Perhaps, perhaps not. Who knows? We are all assuming a lot, but cannot demonstrate much. One thing that has been ignored in all of this, is that the Iranians are being highly obliging in allowing full inspection of their facilities, indeed the EU has just installed observational cameras throughout all the facilities.
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