Greece Plane Crash News- Everyone Frozen :yikes:
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I thought that was spooky. They said that there was a problem with the airconditioning and with the oxygen supply. If the cabin depressurized (which they think happened) then people could have been unconscious, but I suspect that they could have also frozen, as the loss in pressure would also cool the air, like the way a compressed gas expansion causes the air cooling in your air conditioner. Except, this would have been happening on a much larger scale (cabin size, rather than small airconditioner size?). So, it could have iced up really quickly the way your airconditioner can ice up? Anyway, that's my theory. I made it up just now.
They don't suspect terrorism. An article I saw on msnbc.com said that there had been A/C problems on that type of plane, so it may have been a maintenance or equipment fault.
They don't suspect terrorism. An article I saw on msnbc.com said that there had been A/C problems on that type of plane, so it may have been a maintenance or equipment fault.
Latest news on the crash: There were random reports that a Greek Coroner said all but four persons were fozen to death before impact. I do not see this verified. Police have raided the office of the small airline, they are calling this a criminal investigation; reasons unknown at this time.....any info?
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>> Edited by jimbeaux on Tuesday 16th August 02:55
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>> Edited by jimbeaux on Tuesday 16th August 02:55
seafarer said:
If the cabin depressurized (which they think happened) then people could have been unconscious, but I suspect that they could have also frozen, as the loss in pressure would also cool the air.
Hi Seafarer, At 30,000 feet you still have 30% of the pressure you do at ground level.
Pressure in the cabin however is usually only maintained to around 70% of that at ground level any way (the equivalent of 8000 feet) so the effects of loosing cabin pressure will be significantly reduced (sorry for any of you hoping for a Hollywood style hole in the aircraft). It would likely have only been around –45 degrees Celsius outside the fuselage. I doubt that you would freeze to death before the aircraft hit the ground (Unfortunately
). Edit: The major risk from de-compression is hypoxia.
>> Edited by speedy_thrills on Tuesday 16th August 02:50
I think they did say that they thought the captain died of hypoxia. I wonder how they could have frozen, though. I mean, any explanation I can think of, obviously, leans towards the ludicrous, but the only thing I could think of was if they had some kid of sudden cooling effect for that to happen.
>> Edited by seafarer on Tuesday 16th August 20:32
>> Edited by seafarer on Tuesday 16th August 20:32
seafarer said:
I think they did say that they thought the captain died of hypoxia. I wonder how they could have frozen, though. I mean, any explanation I can think of, obviously, leans towards the ludicrous, but the only thing I could think of was if they had some kid of sudden cooling effect for that to happen.
>> Edited by seafarer on Tuesday 16th August 20:32
It has been said that the Greek source reporting "frozen" was wrong. Still, the F-16s chasing the plane said they could not see the pilot, only the copilot slumped over the console. Since the crash, they have yet to locate the pilot?????
I don't know, it's been really unclear. Plus, they said the two fighters saw live, conscious people trying to do something in the cockpit. I wonder how it was that they stayed conscious after the others had blacked out.
msnbc.com had reported that the people on board were frozen. I swear I read that! Maybe they changed their article, but they should at least print a correction. Especially if they derived the conclusion from one guy's conversation (now being a false report) saying "we're frozen". Most people would think it's just a figure of speech. Not such great journalism. I think they must get sloppier in the effort to be the first news source to update, or something.
msnbc.com had reported that the people on board were frozen. I swear I read that! Maybe they changed their article, but they should at least print a correction. Especially if they derived the conclusion from one guy's conversation (now being a false report) saying "we're frozen". Most people would think it's just a figure of speech. Not such great journalism. I think they must get sloppier in the effort to be the first news source to update, or something.
I remember a TV program a few months ago about a pilot that had been sucked out through the cockpit window when it blew, and spent about twenty minutes out in the slipstream with -45 and hundreds of mph worth of wind chill. He survived. Somehow I doubt that passengers inside the plane are going to freeze to death unless they are left up there for several hours.
GreenV8S said:
I remember a TV program a few months ago about a pilot that had been sucked out through the cockpit window when it blew, and spent about twenty minutes out in the slipstream with -45 and hundreds of mph worth of wind chill. He survived. Somehow I doubt that passengers inside the plane are going to freeze to death unless they are left up there for several hours.
Not paying attention to the program Mr V8S! He lost concousness immidiately, and was dead soon after.
GreenV8S said:
vixpy1 said:
He lost concousness immidiately, and was dead soon after.
Thought he passed out after a few minutes? Are you sure he died? I thought the prog said he survived, would like to think he did anyway.
Vixpy you aren't reading what's written, he's on about another incident, below
He did survive he was a British pilot, he's been interviewed many times about it since.
www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/02/06/1107625054101.html?from=top5&oneclick=true
>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 16th August 23:00
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