ungrateful immigrants
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I saw this email flying around and how true it is. It's just a pity that we do not have any credable politicions with the backbone to do something about it.
It's a bit late Mr.Bliar, you're people have already given out 1000s of British passports and benefits to half the 3rd world. Nice one Tony!
While I'm at it, how come the poor Nepalese Ghurkas who serve up to 22 years in Our armed forces, can't have passports but Aids ridden or murdering extremist scum, who are hell bent on trying to convert everyone to their religion (and believe me, they are)can get benefits and passports without being properly checked or having the right to one. AND what about helping those British descendants in Zimbabwe who had to leave?
We need to sort this out. I for one and sick of this weak stance we have. Immigrants have always been apart of our culture for centuries but it needs controlling. Don't let our National Heritage be disolved.
United Kingdom - The Right to Leave Our Country - YOU Have the right - the
> right to leave! After many cities not wanting to offend other cultures by
> putting up Xmas lights. After hearing that the Birmingham council changed
> its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's
> license with her face covered. This prompted this editorial written by a
> UK citizen. Published in a British tabloid newspaper.
> Quote: IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITAIN'S, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am
> tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
> individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London, we
> have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits. However,
> the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the "politically correct"
> crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is
> offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge
> against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain However,
> there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country,
> and apparently some born here, need to understand.
> This idea of London being a multicultural community has served only to
> dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our
> own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.This
> culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials and
> victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
> We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
> Russian, or any other language.
> Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!
> "In God WeTrust" is our National Motto.
> This is not some Christian, right wing, Political slogan. We adopted this
> motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded
> this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate
> to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I
> suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, Because
> God is part of our culture. If ST Georges cross offends you, or you don't
> like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another
> part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
> change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.
> This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
> every opportunity to enjoy all this.
> But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
> Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you
> take advantage of one other Great British freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE "
> If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to come
> here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.
> It's Pretty easy really, when you think about it.
> I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) will
> also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.
> No matter how many times you receive it... please forward it to all you
> know Remember "God Bless the UK"
>> Edited by armynick on Wednesday 24th August 11:12
It's a bit late Mr.Bliar, you're people have already given out 1000s of British passports and benefits to half the 3rd world. Nice one Tony!
While I'm at it, how come the poor Nepalese Ghurkas who serve up to 22 years in Our armed forces, can't have passports but Aids ridden or murdering extremist scum, who are hell bent on trying to convert everyone to their religion (and believe me, they are)can get benefits and passports without being properly checked or having the right to one. AND what about helping those British descendants in Zimbabwe who had to leave?
We need to sort this out. I for one and sick of this weak stance we have. Immigrants have always been apart of our culture for centuries but it needs controlling. Don't let our National Heritage be disolved.
United Kingdom - The Right to Leave Our Country - YOU Have the right - the
> right to leave! After many cities not wanting to offend other cultures by
> putting up Xmas lights. After hearing that the Birmingham council changed
> its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's
> license with her face covered. This prompted this editorial written by a
> UK citizen. Published in a British tabloid newspaper.
> Quote: IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITAIN'S, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am
> tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
> individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London, we
> have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits. However,
> the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the "politically correct"
> crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is
> offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge
> against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain However,
> there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country,
> and apparently some born here, need to understand.
> This idea of London being a multicultural community has served only to
> dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our
> own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.This
> culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials and
> victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
> We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
> Russian, or any other language.
> Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!
> "In God WeTrust" is our National Motto.
> This is not some Christian, right wing, Political slogan. We adopted this
> motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded
> this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate
> to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I
> suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, Because
> God is part of our culture. If ST Georges cross offends you, or you don't
> like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another
> part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
> change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.
> This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
> every opportunity to enjoy all this.
> But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
> Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you
> take advantage of one other Great British freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE "
> If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to come
> here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.
> It's Pretty easy really, when you think about it.
> I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) will
> also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.
> No matter how many times you receive it... please forward it to all you
> know Remember "God Bless the UK"
>> Edited by armynick on Wednesday 24th August 11:12
It's mixing two separate things. I most certainly consider myself English and deplore the way that current politicians have made it the second-class culture in the UK. However I am a proper atheist and anyone telling me to piss off out of the UK because I don't believe in God can go 
themselves. 
I would disagree that 'God is part of our culture' anyway. Fundamentalism (as still seen in the USA) ceased to be a major force in UK culture ages ago.
Presumably the 'UK tabloid newspaper' was the Daily Mail?
It's a crying shame that the great virtue of tolerance in our society is rapidly being eroded, and replaced with tit-for-tat intolerant absolutist views.... have these people never read any history???
themselves. I would disagree that 'God is part of our culture' anyway. Fundamentalism (as still seen in the USA) ceased to be a major force in UK culture ages ago.
Presumably the 'UK tabloid newspaper' was the Daily Mail?
It's a crying shame that the great virtue of tolerance in our society is rapidly being eroded, and replaced with tit-for-tat intolerant absolutist views.... have these people never read any history???
"In God we Trust" is not our national motto. It is the Americans'.
I agree with BR: many of us could agree with some of the sentiments, but the delivery smacks of racist thuggery. Why should immigrants accept our religion (which most white people born here reject)? Integration doesn't mean behaving exactly like the white middle classes. On the other hand, for immigrants to separate themselves into their own communities and have little or no contact with others here is unacceptable.
Norman Tebbit was on the radio last weekend going on again about his idiotic cricket test. I know plenty of Aussies, New Zealanders and South Africans who live here but support the teams from back home. They don't look likely to become suicide bombers to me. Neither do the West Indians and Asians I know. The problem is far more complicated than anything capable of distillation by the prejudiced.
I agree with BR: many of us could agree with some of the sentiments, but the delivery smacks of racist thuggery. Why should immigrants accept our religion (which most white people born here reject)? Integration doesn't mean behaving exactly like the white middle classes. On the other hand, for immigrants to separate themselves into their own communities and have little or no contact with others here is unacceptable.
Norman Tebbit was on the radio last weekend going on again about his idiotic cricket test. I know plenty of Aussies, New Zealanders and South Africans who live here but support the teams from back home. They don't look likely to become suicide bombers to me. Neither do the West Indians and Asians I know. The problem is far more complicated than anything capable of distillation by the prejudiced.
Zod said:
"In God we Trust" is not our national motto. It is the Americans'.
I agree with BR: many of us could agree with some of the sentiments, but the delivery smacks of racist thuggery. Why should immigrants accept our religion (which most white people born here reject)? Integration doesn't mean behaving exactly like the white middle classes. On the other hand, for immigrants to separate themselves into their own communities and have little or no contact with others here is unacceptable.
Norman Tebbit was on the radio last weekend going on again about his idiotic cricket test. I know plenty of Aussies, New Zealanders and South Africans who live here but support the teams from back home. They don't look likely to become suicide bombers to me. Neither do the West Indians and Asians I know. The problem is far more complicated than anything capable of distillation by the prejudiced.
Spot on.
I agree about the Christian thing, that should be left out of it.
I too am Atheist but am very much against the rise of Islam in our country. It attracts too much extremism and a 3rd world culture, back to stoneage principals and behaviour. especially towards women.
The US is very serious about Christianity and their military personnel even say grace before meals. Something that you would NEVER see amoungst our Military. I kinda find that uncomfortable, wierd but I guess that's why I'm an Atheist eh?
I too am Atheist but am very much against the rise of Islam in our country. It attracts too much extremism and a 3rd world culture, back to stoneage principals and behaviour. especially towards women.
The US is very serious about Christianity and their military personnel even say grace before meals. Something that you would NEVER see amoungst our Military. I kinda find that uncomfortable, wierd but I guess that's why I'm an Atheist eh?
While I agree with what you say armynick, we have to be careful of being hypocritical.
Yes, those who choose to live in the UK (via asylum, economic migrants, whatever) should make an effort to integrate themselves into UK culture, adapt to it, follow our rules, and learn our language.
But the same goes for Brits choosing to move abroad, surely?
[rant mode on]
It actually angers me when I hear about British communities of expats forming in places like Spain and France who completely segregate themselves from the local community for one reason or another, mainly language barriers.
FFS, if you choose to buy property or live abroad, make an effort to learn the lingo and integrate. I know not everyone's guilty of this, but a good number are who make the rest of us look bad.
[rant mode off]
Yes, those who choose to live in the UK (via asylum, economic migrants, whatever) should make an effort to integrate themselves into UK culture, adapt to it, follow our rules, and learn our language.
But the same goes for Brits choosing to move abroad, surely?
[rant mode on]
It actually angers me when I hear about British communities of expats forming in places like Spain and France who completely segregate themselves from the local community for one reason or another, mainly language barriers.
FFS, if you choose to buy property or live abroad, make an effort to learn the lingo and integrate. I know not everyone's guilty of this, but a good number are who make the rest of us look bad.
[rant mode off]
The problem is when the middle class guilt trippers say that displays of patriotism should be banned because it makes immigrants uncomfortable-WTF
In a society that has a sucessful immigration policy the immigrants would be just as patriotic as the 'natives'.
>> Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 24th August 11:52
In a society that has a sucessful immigration policy the immigrants would be just as patriotic as the 'natives'.
>> Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 24th August 11:52
T5 R.
The point you have raised regarding British ex pats abroad, is a common one used in response to the arguments on uncontrolled immigration into the UK.
However, it fails to take into account that such ex pats havent been forced to flee from oppression in the UK, have been highly educated in the UK, have in all probability arrived with their own income (obtained whilst in the UK) etc etc.
As such, the expat community only add wealth to Spain,Portugal etc & arent seen by the indegenious population as a drain on their welfare state or their health service or their educatiion system.
Is it much to expect a little gratitude from economic & social migrants for the hospitality shown by this Country to them, as opposed to the (thankfully small)numbers who seem intent on causing nothing but social disorder & tensions between the peoples of the UK ?
The point you have raised regarding British ex pats abroad, is a common one used in response to the arguments on uncontrolled immigration into the UK.
However, it fails to take into account that such ex pats havent been forced to flee from oppression in the UK, have been highly educated in the UK, have in all probability arrived with their own income (obtained whilst in the UK) etc etc.
As such, the expat community only add wealth to Spain,Portugal etc & arent seen by the indegenious population as a drain on their welfare state or their health service or their educatiion system.
Is it much to expect a little gratitude from economic & social migrants for the hospitality shown by this Country to them, as opposed to the (thankfully small)numbers who seem intent on causing nothing but social disorder & tensions between the peoples of the UK ?
T5-R said:
But the same goes for Brits choosing to move abroad, surely?
[rant mode on]
It actually angers me when I hear about British communities of expats forming in places like Spain and France who completely segregate themselves from the local community for one reason or another, mainly language barriers.
FFS, if you choose to buy property or live abroad, make an effort to learn the lingo and integrate. I know not everyone's guilty of this, but a good number are who make the rest of us look bad.
[rant mode off]
I have just returned from Spain. The family I stayed with (my best friend's parents) are great - speak Spanich, get involved in the local culture, have Spanish friends etc etc; they have had a house out there in Mijas for 20 years.
However, I was shocked by how many of their social circle (Brits) had failed to integrate at all, didn't want to integrate, and lived in their little slice of Britain in a totally foreign and beautiful culture steeped in history, culture and tradition. I couldn't believe it.
I do see MILF's "drain on resources" point though. However, it's still no excuse. Simply having money shouldn't morally allow one to take a standpoint of cultural insularity.
>> Edited by Harry Flashman on Wednesday 24th August 12:09
Harry Flashman said:
Well, we're not the PC brigade, but we're envisaging it in such a manner. What does that tell you?
I don’t know!, but what I can tell you is that I hate the constant drip feeding from the media telling us how we should act, I do know how to act, I have always treated others as I would like to be treated, I do not need to be coerced or 'educated' into a particular way of thinking. I think intolerance, especially racial, is disgusting.
All three schools I went to in Redditch, from the early 70' to the early 80s had a very healthy mix of races, and I can say, hand on heart, I never witnessed any kind of racism or intolerance aimed at them, they were our classmates and friends, I don’t ever recall colour ever being mentioned! I still see a few when I go out in Redditch, and we do recall 'the good old days' Race was never an issue (and rightly so), peoples behaviour towards others was of more importance.
Which makes me wonder how much of this perceived hatred is media led, probably by people who will make lots of money and then sod off if anything kicks off!
The only 'real' intolerance I have witness in recent years is an Islamic guy stating on the radio that he will not be happy until the Islamic crescent symbol is flying over the houses of Parliament. That’s what I call unacceptable intolerance!
Harry Flashman said:
Simply having money shouldn't morally allow one to take a standpoint of cultural insularity.
Living in a free society should allow you to take a standpoint of cultural insularity if that's what you want. The point being made is that you can't practice this freedom of expression and then denegrate the society which has provided that freedom. If as an ex-pat I want to live with other ex-pats, drink warm beer and eat pie and chips every day then as long as i pay my tax and abide by the law I should have the right to do that. What is morally unacceptable is to then stand outside the George and Dragon olde English pub demanding my fellow brits rise up against the hated dagos.......
MILF said:
Is it much to expect a little gratitude from economic & social migrants for the hospitality shown by this Country to them?
I agree with you 110%. In my previous post I was also agreeing with what was being said by the original poster before I went off on my rant
I was also trying to play Devil's advocate and point out the other side of the coin to get a balanced perspective on the debate so far, as it came across as being very one sided.
MilnerR said:
Simply having money shouldn't morally allow one to take a standpoint of cultural insularity.
Living in a free society should allow you to take a standpoint of cultural insularity if that's what you want. The point being made is that you can't practice this freedom of expression and then denegrate the society which has provided that freedom. If as an ex-pat I want to live with other ex-pats, drink warm beer and eat pie and chips every day then as long as i pay my tax and abide by the law I should have the right to do that. What is morally unacceptable is to then stand outside the George and Dragon olde English pub demanding my fellow brits rise up against the hated dagos.......
Actually, I suppose you're right. It's the "as long as you're not harming anyone else and are paying your way" logic.
I am still uncomfortable with the idea of complete non-integration with a host nation though. I believe in some sort of moral obligation to interact with society, rather than just take from it.
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