whats the journey time to european countries by ship?
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hi
my uncle, was left a short-haul cruise ship from his brothers will, an with it he wonders, as its moored in london, an he offered cruises from it to europe, how far could he offer travel to customers, for a return trip - i mean like, if they boarded in london to visit bremen germany, could trips like that be offered, as there are no sleeper cabins onboard or long trip facilities like galley, so the trip one-way couldn't be too long to require beds etc.
he's thinking of going as far westcoast denmark, an spain/portugal.
so any journey time estimations are most welcome for me to pass them on - as whether from your experiences or what youve heard elsewhere
ta
new info -
the ship is a 5yr old, twin-waterjet powered, catamaran, which used to ferry upto 1000 from dover to le harve in france.
it is moored between the thames water barrier an london city airport.
>> Edited by vlc on Tuesday 6th September 01:40
my uncle, was left a short-haul cruise ship from his brothers will, an with it he wonders, as its moored in london, an he offered cruises from it to europe, how far could he offer travel to customers, for a return trip - i mean like, if they boarded in london to visit bremen germany, could trips like that be offered, as there are no sleeper cabins onboard or long trip facilities like galley, so the trip one-way couldn't be too long to require beds etc.
he's thinking of going as far westcoast denmark, an spain/portugal.
so any journey time estimations are most welcome for me to pass them on - as whether from your experiences or what youve heard elsewhere
ta
new info -
the ship is a 5yr old, twin-waterjet powered, catamaran, which used to ferry upto 1000 from dover to le harve in france.
it is moored between the thames water barrier an london city airport.
>> Edited by vlc on Tuesday 6th September 01:40
Hopping across the channel to France would usually take a few hours, or a day. But from London it would take a couple of days. Going to Germany would take a few days, and as for Portugal, also several days, maybe 7-10. What do you mean by 'ship' anyway? if it is a fast powerboat/speedboat, crossings would be quicker, but if it has a displacement hull, you are looking at 6-12 knots. If it is a speedboat, it may not have the range either, you will need to do lots of short runs/stops.
vlc said:
hi
my uncle, was left a short-haul cruise ship from his brothers will, an with it he wonders, as its moored in london, an he offered cruises from it to europe, how far could he offer travel to customers, for a return trip - i mean like, if they boarded in london to visit bremen germany, could trips like that be offered, as there are no sleeper cabins onboard or long trip facilities like galley, so the trip one-way couldn't be too long to require beds etc.
he's thinking of going as far westcoast denmark, an spain/portugal.
so any journey time estimations are most welcome for me to pass them on - as whether from your experiences or what youve heard elsewhere
ta
You would need a license to operate a commercial ferry and a commercial skippers ticket. Without accomodation you would be limited to pleasure cruises, dependant on how far up the Thames you are mored you might manage cross channel trips
nonegreen said:
hi
my uncle, was left a short-haul cruise ship from his brothers will, an with it he wonders, as its moored in london, an he offered cruises from it to europe, how far could he offer travel to customers, for a return trip - i mean like, if they boarded in london to visit bremen germany, could trips like that be offered, as there are no sleeper cabins onboard or long trip facilities like galley, so the trip one-way couldn't be too long to require beds etc.
he's thinking of going as far westcoast denmark, an spain/portugal.
so any journey time estimations are most welcome for me to pass them on - as whether from your experiences or what youve heard elsewhere
ta
You would need a license to operate a commercial ferry and a commercial skippers ticket. Without accomodation you would be limited to pleasure cruises, dependant on how far up the Thames you are mored you might manage cross channel trips
If he hasn't, then maybe he could employ someone who has?........
vlc said:
new info -
the ship is a 5yr old, twin-waterjet powered, catamaran, which used to ferry upto 1000 from dover to le harve in france.
it is moored between the thames water barrier an london city airport.
Well, Google says that crossing takes 45 mins in one of them. So Germany would be feasible if the tanks are big enough. But don't forget that they're called "Vomit Comets" so the cruise may not be of the most pleasurable variety. Also, how would what you're offering be different from existing high speed ferries to the Continent? If someone's going to pop over to Europe for a high class piss-up why would they not use one of the big operators with a frequent and therefore more convenient service?
Pigeon said:
new info -
the ship is a 5yr old, twin-waterjet powered, catamaran, which used to ferry upto 1000 from dover to le harve in france.
it is moored between the thames water barrier an london city airport.
Well, Google says that crossing takes 45 mins in one of them. So Germany would be feasible if the tanks are big enough. But don't forget that they're called "Vomit Comets" so the cruise may not be of the most pleasurable variety. Also, how would what you're offering be different from existing high speed ferries to the Continent? If someone's going to pop over to Europe for a high class piss-up why would they not use one of the big operators with a frequent and therefore more convenient service?
Hiya Pigeon and VLC, Yeah well, the ferry merchants have been very slow to catch on (in fact they still haven't yet) The best card that they had, they threw away.........but hey, that's British Management....Right???
They tried to match the Chunnel for speed and price, but that's NOT the only equation for people living north of Watford!.....
I need to drive for 4-5 hrs after work on a Friday night (or whatever) to get to Dover. And what do I find?.............
No Berths!.... Only the "quick sevice" to Calais! no time to sleep....... Sorry, we don't do Oostende or Zeebrugge anymore! No time to let you sleep!.......
They deserve to go to the wall!!!
How many road accidents have they caused through their misguided company policies? Drivers forced to continue without sleep?...after their policy of stoping cabins on their services so that they needn't pay for "maids" to refresh "the cabins"? All this in the belief that cheapest is best!............. Grrrr!
Surely the susceptibility of boats to waves could easily be reduced by placing most of the stuff that does the "floating" underneath the surface and putting the actual bit you sit in on stilts on the bits bits under the water. The waves are only the surface and so if most of the hull is underneath it, it won't be disturbed by them. Has anyone made boats like this?
Take this the right way, but the journey time should be the last thing on your uncle's mind. Running a passenger boat across the channel will require huge effort:
tons of H&S paperwork
significant sales & marketing investment
a crew
harbour agreements
sea worthiness documentation
etc.. etc..
The journey time is "problem Z".
The question is, what was his brother doing with the boat? It may be possible to continue what has already been started, but to embark on a new business model may be asking too much!
tons of H&S paperwork
significant sales & marketing investment
a crew
harbour agreements
sea worthiness documentation
etc.. etc..
The journey time is "problem Z".
The question is, what was his brother doing with the boat? It may be possible to continue what has already been started, but to embark on a new business model may be asking too much!
D_Mike said:
Surely the susceptibility of boats to waves could easily be reduced by placing most of the stuff that does the "floating" underneath the surface and putting the actual bit you sit in on stilts on the bits bits under the water. The waves are only the surface and so if most of the hull is underneath it, it won't be disturbed by them. Has anyone made boats like this?
Not boats as such, but semi-submersible drilling platforms put their main buoyancy beneath the swell for increased stability. Problem is that they don't move in this configuration because of all the drag - they de-ballast the hulls to minimise draft for transit. So the answer is no - too much hydrodynamic drag compared to a vessel skimming the waves.
Ferry service by submarine? You wouldn't get much of a view.....
nel said:
Surely the susceptibility of boats to waves could easily be reduced by placing most of the stuff that does the "floating" underneath the surface and putting the actual bit you sit in on stilts on the bits bits under the water. The waves are only the surface and so if most of the hull is underneath it, it won't be disturbed by them. Has anyone made boats like this?
Not boats as such, but semi-submersible drilling platforms put their main buoyancy beneath the swell for increased stability. Problem is that they don't move in this configuration because of all the drag - they de-ballast the hulls to minimise draft for transit. So the answer is no - too much hydrodynamic drag compared to a vessel skimming the waves.
Ferry service by submarine? You wouldn't get much of a view.....
I've just realised that hydroplanes are what I've described
I remember going on lots in Italy but have never seen one in the UK. I wonder why.www.boats-for-sale.com/displayboatsresults.asp?Manufacturer=&BoatType=Commercial&minprice=&maxprice=&TheSubmitButton=Search++%3E%3E%3E&recsperpage=25&page=0&startpage=1&clicked=1&minlength=&maxlength=&boatstoview=all&lengthunits=metres&keyword=&quicksearch=1&curCurrency=GBP
Makes interesting reading - Autotrader for boats.
Looking at the prices of some of these bad boys I think Id be tempted to sell it and spunk the cash on women and helicopters
Makes interesting reading - Autotrader for boats.
Looking at the prices of some of these bad boys I think Id be tempted to sell it and spunk the cash on women and helicopters
D_Mike said:
I've just realised that hydroplanes are what I've described
They're not really what you've described, as they are a skimming design with the hydroplane part of the vessel operating within the swell affected zone. Whatsmore, the hydroplanes themselves are not centres of buoyancy - they only raise the hull of the vessel when it is moving fast enough to plane.
All by the by, but these wave piercing or hydroplaning vessels are damned uncomfortable in any kind of heavy sea as they slam from wave to wave. As far as possible I'll stick to the tunnel....
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