How do you deal with troublesome employees??
How do you deal with troublesome employees??
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ProPlus

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3,810 posts

270 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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One of my friends is having a hard time at the moment, she thinks that she is being too deemanding on her employees, yet one of them let a major project fall behind in spite and didn't tell her (thinks her job should be his, etc) now she is looking into getting rid of him.

She doesn't want this kind of thing to happen again, so any ideas from the PH collective as to how such a situation can be best avoided in the future?

I have suggested the following:

Her employees send her regular progress reports. (really too many people to do this).
Be open enough to ask for help if falling behind agreed deadlines.
Sort out a rating system so more resource can be assigned if a single project gets into problems.

Any of you manager type people out there able to come up with any more suggestions so that she can keep on top of things, bear in mind she has too many employees to read all progress sent and your tried and tested ideas would be ideal.

No whips and slave driving allowed...

Sleep Envy

62,260 posts

279 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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When I was co-ordinating the refurbishment of a national chain's food halls trying to keep track of over 350 schemes was a nightmare.

Easiest way I found was to set up a schedule with target dates and achieved dates to be updated every week.

This might mot be suitable in this instance so I'd probably give him a sideways promotion and make him someone else's problem

holbayhead

1,657 posts

266 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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don't give them access to PH

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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Progress in isolation means nothing, they need to give her context, progress against plan.

Then every project meeting (presumably at the end of each milestone) progress against plan can be assessed and the project team 'adjusted' to suit.

wolves_wanderer

12,956 posts

267 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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ProPlus said:

I have suggested the following:

Her employees send her regular progress reports. (really too many people to do this).
Be open enough to ask for help if falling behind agreed deadlines.
Sort out a rating system so more resource can be assigned if a single project gets into problems.


I would have said the idea of progress reports is the best. It does not have to be as formal as a whole report that she has to then plod through, just some kind of statement that they are having no problems and everything is running to time. It also has the benefit of leaving a paper trail so that if this situation were to ever arise again she would be able to prove that he had been hiding problems.

towman

14,938 posts

269 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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holbayhead said:
don't give them access to PH


Get on with some work you slacker!

Kiwi XTR2

2,693 posts

262 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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ProPlus said:
. . . I have suggested the following:

Her employees send her regular progress reports. (really too many people to do this). . .

Flat structures are all well and good but if there are too many direct-report staff to cope with basic 'progress & exception reporting' then she needs to either appoint programme coordinators or team leaders to monitor progress.

wedg1e

27,038 posts

295 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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Get them all round the boardroom table, listen to them blame each other then pick one at random to sack.

Hang on, I've got an idea for a TV show...

sparkythecat

8,098 posts

285 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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My mate recently got a junior management position. His septugenarian father who had been a foremen in an engineering machine shop for many years dispensed this fatherly advice for dealing with troublesome employees.

" Dog 'em till they hate you son. Then sack 'em"

tiga84

5,593 posts

261 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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sparkythecat said:
My mate recently got a junior management position. His septugenarian father who had been a foremen in an engineering machine shop for many years dispensed this fatherly advice for dealing with troublesome employees.

" Dog 'em till they hate you son. Then sack 'em"


Unfortunately, UK employment law favours the employee so much, it is almost impossible to just "sack" someone. Its a joke.



Dakkon

7,833 posts

283 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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tiga84 said:

sparkythecat said:
My mate recently got a junior management position. His septugenarian father who had been a foremen in an engineering machine shop for many years dispensed this fatherly advice for dealing with troublesome employees.

" Dog 'em till they hate you son. Then sack 'em"



Unfortunately, UK employment law favours the employee so much, it is almost impossible to just "sack" someone. Its a joke.





Well just make them feel completely undervalued and give everyone else a payrise and not them, they will want to leave.

Could always just 'go postal'

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

291 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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I could ask my boss if you like

He seems to make everyone want to leave, would that help

bjwoods

5,018 posts

314 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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the sensible way is to report by exception.. IE They must tell you if deviating, or falling behind agreed plan... otherwise just get on with it... and just give the odd update at an agreed schedule.

BUT you really have to have confidence that they will do this.
B

pombstard

7,878 posts

272 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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Performance manage them out of the door. Give them agreed work to be done by an agreed date that fits into your overall plan. Make it a combination of short and longer-term work, and constantly chase them for it. Make it clear at the outset what your expectations are of them, and what they are responsible for. Any deviation from agreed work, bring in disciplinary measures. Any advancement on agreed work, you buy the team lunch. Carrot & stick - as long as everyone is clear on their responsibilities, and make sure only one person has overall responsibility for any given task.

planetdave

9,922 posts

283 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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tiga84 said:

sparkythecat said:
My mate recently got a junior management position. His septugenarian father who had been a foremen in an engineering machine shop for many years dispensed this fatherly advice for dealing with troublesome employees.

" Dog 'em till they hate you son. Then sack 'em"



Unfortunately, UK employment law favours the employee so much, it is almost impossible to just "sack" someone. Its a joke.





I'm on a written warning for having time off. I sustained a very minor nick and nearly lost my thumb through infection. Now that's a joke.

voyds9

8,490 posts

313 months

Wednesday 28th September 2005
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With great difficulty, we have just been advised by ACAS that we cannot make a member of staff work to contract, we have to re-issue the same contract and then insist they work to it. All to ensure she works the days contracted. We now spend more time managing staff the doing the job.