Big 4 consultancy jobs
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michael_jcws

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892 posts

286 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Hi all,

Looking at trying to get a project manager role in one of the big 4 consultancy e.g accenture, capgemini, IBM e.t.c

Has anyone got any suggestions on how to get your CV read by the right people ? I'm currently finding it very difficult to get a foot in the door :scratchchin:

Cheers

Michael

minornut

1,049 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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I'll email my friend who works for capgemini with a link to this thread.

chrisob1

289 posts

256 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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PM me as i sometimes place people into such organisations on the finance side i may be able to give you some contacs.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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I spoke to my agent the other day about a gig at Accenture.

The recruitment process can take an AGE apparently.

TeamD

5,060 posts

262 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Believe me, you don't want to bother with International Bullshit Merchants!

StuB

6,695 posts

269 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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If you access their websites and register your C.V. (presuming it ticks the right boxes) they'll want to see you if there's the demand in the market.

Once your track record is known and your name established in whichever discipline you specialise in, people will tend to find you.

If there's a significant drop in the market you can expect a quick reaction.

If you do get in but don't have a 'sealeable' C.V., you'll be a dogsbody for everything going to get valuable experience.

I went through the process with 3 of what was the big 6 (some years ago after the blue chip I worked for parked a major project I was looking for) and decided to join a smaller software house with more independence and autonomy. This lead to very healthy salary progression and lots of large projects on my C.V. I consider my self lucky in terms of the timing and fortunate in joining a company 'on the up' with a sound product/service offering.

Best of luck.

>> Edited by StuB on Tuesday 25th October 14:22

ettore

5,102 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Pro`s and Con`s to all of them and your entry point very much depends on what you do/want to do. Contrary to the above post IBM or Accenture tend to offer the best variety and potential.

Gaffer

7,156 posts

307 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Problem with IBM or Accenture is you need a degree and it doesnt matter what work history you have.

Bit of a bugger really.

Claire

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Thats definately not the case for IBM.

Maybe the management consultant division but not as a whole company.

off_again

13,917 posts

264 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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ettore said:
Pro`s and Con`s to all of them and your entry point very much depends on what you do/want to do. Contrary to the above post IBM or Accenture tend to offer the best variety and potential.


Yeah with IBM and Accenture it depends on what area and work you want to do. They aren't that bad as employers though.

Do be warned though - earnings tend to be directly proportional to the amount of effort and time you put in. Work long hours and you will probably be rewarded for it - for example extended stays away from home on a project - but its not for everyone and it can be a little "cut throat" for some.

I know a few people who work in this area and earn a lot and do well - one friend has risen pretty high up in IBM. He has paid for it with his personal life - mind you for him, the rewards make up for this.

Gaffer

7,156 posts

307 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Plotloss said:
Thats definately not the case for IBM.

Maybe the management consultant division but not as a whole company.


I have been looking at IBM/Accenture/Andersons just to see what they are like and every advert says Degree.

I nearly got into Accenture whilst in Cheltenham, the job itself was filled internally after about a month of interviews and promises.

Claire

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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I've worked with IBM machines all my career and I know a few people in one of their divisions at least one of which doesnt even have A Levels.

I really dont understand how these massive companies operate recruitment. I'm a month into the recruitment process with one giant and my man on the inside tells me that a month is a mere blink in time terms.

Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

314 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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off_again said:

Do be warned though - earnings tend to be directly proportional to the amount of effort and time you put in. Work long hours and you will probably be rewarded for it - for example extended stays away from home on a project - but its not for everyone and it can be a little "cut throat" for some.

I know a few people who work in this area and earn a lot and do well - one friend has risen pretty high up in IBM. He has paid for it with his personal life - mind you for him, the rewards make up for this.

A friend used to work for EDS, and was well up the scale on project management, although doing the long hours/no personal life thing (and no, this was before the CSA debacle etc).

He walked out to start his own web company, and spend time teaching guitar - a lot less well off now, but far, far better life.

Choices...

boiler

217 posts

285 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Most consultancies look for degree educated people, because most of their clients expect degree educated people.

Any particular reason why you want to go into one of the big consultancies? How much project management experience have you got? What other experience have you got?

Andy.

Gaffer

7,156 posts

307 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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I was just being nosey to be honest.

I used to do project management about 5 years ago and then fell into IT Support.

The place I am now is driving me up the bloody wall so will try anything within reason to get out and into something else.

You know when its time to go when you spend more time in the loo playing golf on your mobile, pretending something you have eaten hasnt agreed with you, then you do at your desk..!

Claire

wainy

800 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Michael,
minornut's "mate" here.
I work for Capgemini and it depends on what sort of role but can give you some advice on the recruitment. I also know a couple of Recruitment consultant who specialise in the big consultancies. What sector are you looking to get into within these?

From what I heard (from people who worked there) Accenture tend to burn most people out after a couple of years.

Yes you will need a degree etc.

Andy

>> Edited by wainy on Tuesday 25th October 14:50

minornut

1,049 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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Gaffer said:
You know when its time to go when you spend more time in the loo playing golf on your mobile, pretending something you have eaten hasnt agreed with you, than you do at your desk posting on pistonheads pretending to work!

minornut

1,049 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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wainy said:
Michael,
minornut's "mate" here.
I work for Capgemini and it depends on what sort of role but can give you some advice on the recruitment. I also know a couple of Recruitment consultant who specialise in the big consultancies. What sector are you looking to get into within these?

Andy


Hello mate!

baskey

14,291 posts

256 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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On this note - anyone know what Detica are like to work for / have they got a decent reputation in the industry..? etc etc

wainy

800 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th October 2005
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minornut said:


Hello mate!


Dont you have any work to do?