Could You Become UK Citizen Tomorrow?
Could You Become UK Citizen Tomorrow?
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beano500

Original Poster:

20,854 posts

305 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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New "test" comes into force.

Take the BBC test at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4099770.stm

Nevin

2,999 posts

291 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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Been discussed before on here but is a bit pointless really. The questions are either verbatim repetitions of what appears in the booklet or are a matter of opinion. Most people born and raisedin Britain who had not had the benefit of seeing this book would be on the borderline of passing I reckon.

munky

5,328 posts

278 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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11/14.

They're asking the wrong questions. This test just determines whether or not you can read a booklet (and how many languages is the booklet available in?)

Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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I might have to do this

rich-uk

1,431 posts

286 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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The only proviso to becoming a UK citizen should be that you make a positive contribution to the country for 5 years. Leaning a bit of British history is a good idea, but not grounds for becoming a citizen.

Nevin

2,999 posts

291 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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I wonder how many children born and raised in the UK actually know anything about the Magna Carta? Should we kick them out? (Well, probably wouldn't be a bad idea actually)

speedy_thrills

7,958 posts

273 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Eric Mc said:
I might have to do this

Can I ask why?

Incidentally I cant gain British citizenship, I don’t think they issue it to British citizens.

munky

5,328 posts

278 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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rich-uk said:
The only proviso to becoming a UK citizen should be that you make a positive contribution to the country for 5 years. Leaning a bit of British history is a good idea, but not grounds for becoming a citizen.


Surely you should also be able to speak English.

Every now and then the phone rings at home and some woman starts talking in a language I don't understand, but the accent sounds Indian. I say that I don't understand, and please can she talk in English. More (to me) gibberish. I hang up. The number comes up on caller ID (an 0207 number) so I may call it back and speak in Italian, just for a laugh.

As an aside, I wonder how much councils spend on translating and printing leaflets into 25 odd languages?

Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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I have lived in the UK for almost 20 years. I'm originally from Ireland and up to now had not really given British citizenship any serious consideration. However, as I am married to a UK citizen, run a UK business, am qualified with UK accounting and taxation institutions and own property in the UK, maybe I should make that final commitment to living here. To be honest, I don't ever see myself returning to Ireland, apart from holidays (I still love Ireland as a country, but I actually prefer living in the UK).

I had looked at the Home Office website in the past and it was extremely difficult to follow what was required of EU ctizens. There is loads of info on people from the Commonwealth or non-Commonwealth but virtually notheing on the EU!

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

274 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Bloody economic migrants, coming over here, taking our jobs, stealing our women...........









Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Paying your tax, supporting your social welfare system, giving to UK charities etc. They should all be deported I say

wolves_wanderer

12,956 posts

267 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Eric Mc said:
I have lived in the UK for almost 20 years. I'm originally from Ireland and up to now had not really given British citizenship any serious consideration. However, as I am married to a UK citizen, run a UK business, am qualified with UK accounting and taxation institutions and own property in the UK, maybe I should make that final commitment to living here. To be honest, I don't ever see myself returning to Ireland, apart from holidays (I still love Ireland as a country, but I actually prefer living in the UK).

I had looked at the Home Office website in the past and it was extremely difficult to follow what was required of EU ctizens. There is loads of info on people from the Commonwealth or non-Commonwealth but virtually notheing on the EU!

My dad was in the same situation as you, I don't think he ever bothered in the end, he stayed Paddy!

Jaglover

46,797 posts

265 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Nevin said:
Been discussed before on here but is a bit pointless really. The questions are either verbatim repetitions of what appears in the booklet or are a matter of opinion. Most people born and raisedin Britain who had not had the benefit of seeing this book would be on the borderline of passing I reckon.


victormeldrew

8,293 posts

307 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Agreed, been there done that. Most proper English people wouldn't pass simply because they are English. UK Citizen seems to be PC code for legal immigrant.

Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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A bit of a dilemma for me. I find a lot of this current nonsense a bit "insulting" although the citizenshipo ceremony, by all accounts, is very pleaseant and quite moving. I actually agree with the latter and it is very similar to what they do in the US and Australia.

granville

18,764 posts

291 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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victormeldrew said:
UK Citizen seems to be PC code for legal immigrant.


Indeed: also, this term citizen, a bit like community, has the stench of apologist, left wing insurgency about it.

The correct term is subject, of the realm.

Jaglover

46,797 posts

265 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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I agree with the citizenship ceremony and that before becoming a citizen an immigrant should be able to speak English.

I'm not sure parroting lines from a booklet accomplishes much though.

Vitesse39

731 posts

278 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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I see nothing wrong with the main requirements being that you must be able to prove that you have a job to go to - You won't be a drain on the counties resources.
You can make a positive contribution to the country
You are fit and well - not going to scrounge off our NHS.

I believe this would be similar to USA and Australia

rich-uk

1,431 posts

286 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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munky said:

Surely you should also be able to speak English.


That should go without saying. Produce the book and do the test in English only. Produce all government forms and information in English only (except a list of English language schools).

Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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What about the other British languages - Welsh, Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic? Law should be available in those languages too - after all, they are far more "British" than "English".

>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 1st November 09:55