Math's Question (Again)
Math's Question (Again)
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grant.d

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1,258 posts

254 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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Hi There,

Can anyone give me a hand with this question?

(2x+3)=(2x+5)(2x-1)

If so can you please tell me how you get the answer and explain it if you can?

Many thanks,
Grant

(Perhaps thebluemonkey will be along shortly?)

bimmer-e30

286 posts

257 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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Will ask the hubby when he gets in from the club, he's the maths persom!

FunkyNige

9,836 posts

305 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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grant.d said:
Hi There,

Can anyone give me a hand with this question?

(2x+3)=(2x+5)(2x-1)

If so can you please tell me how you get the answer and explain it if you can?

Many thanks,
Grant

(Perhaps thebluemonkey will be along shortly?)


Maths. Not math's.

Anyway,
2x+3=(2x+5)(2x-1) Multiply out the brackets ->
2x+3=4x^2-2x+10x-5 Tidy up the right hand side ->
2x+3=4x^2+8x-5 Subtract 2x+3 from both side ->
0=4x^2+6x-8

Put that into the quadratic formula which I hope you know...

Frik

13,690 posts

273 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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(2x+3)=(2x+5)(2x-1)
(2x+3)=4x^2+10x-2x-5
(2x+3)=4x^2+8x-5
0=4x^2+6x-8
ie
x=0.851,-2.351

Is this what you're after?

Edited to say: Aah, I seem we have agreement

>> Edited by Frik on Sunday 6th November 21:00

leebuchanan

57 posts

312 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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If I remember correctly from GCSEs (a long time ago), to solve a quadratic of the form ax² +bx+c=0, you use the formula x=(-b+-√(b² -4ac))/2a
Therefore re-arrange your equation into 4x² +6x-8=0 and apply the above to get x=(-6+√164)/8 or x=(-6-√164)/8
i.e. there are always two answers to every quadratic equation.

Or something like that.

Lee

simpo two

92,881 posts

295 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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Damn, it looks a lot easier when you can write on two lines!

leebuchanan

57 posts

312 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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That should say x=-b plus or minus square root of (b squared minus 4ac) all divided by 2a
i.e.
x=-6+square root of 164 all divided by 8
or
x=-6-square root of 164 all divided by 8

FunkyNige

9,836 posts

305 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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simpo two said:
Damn, it looks a lot easier when you can write on two lines!


Hence I didn't bother with the quadratic formula bit

Frik

13,690 posts

273 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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FunkyNige said:
simpo two said:
Damn, it looks a lot easier when you can write on two lines!


Hence I didn't bother with the quadratic formula bit
Ditto

Maths was so much more fun when it was stuff like this.

Any more?

grant.d

Original Poster:

1,258 posts

254 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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Got it now, thanks for your help everybody.

None more for now but i bet il have some soon

ifc63

90 posts

254 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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Bloody Hell! Get the old guys to do your homework for you, why don't you.
If you're lucky you might be able to take a laptop into your exams in case you get stuck
Now in my day..................................

seafarer

1,278 posts

283 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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(2x+3)=(2x+5)(2x-1)

Multiply out the parenthesis: FOIL: First, Inside, Outside, Last
Combine like-terms, solve for x.

Meaning, multiply the first terms (2x times 2x = 4x^2), then multiply the inside terms (2x times 5 = 10x), then the ouside terms (2x times -1 = -2x), then the last terms (5 times -1 =-5). Now add the right hand side up (4x^2 + -2x +10x -5). On the left hand side, you have 2x + 3.

0= 4x^2 +6x -8

You can solve for x with the quadratic equation: -b +- ((b^2 -4ac)^1/2 )/2a where 4 is a, 6 is b, -8 is c. "Negative b plus or minus the square root of b-squared minus 4ac over 2a"

Or if you don't have a calculator (or aren't allowed one) you can use a technique called "completing the square":

Divide equation by 4 so that you have an x^2 term. Then you have

x^2 + (3/2)x =2

From your x term, figure out what you would need to complete the square, then add that to both sides, like this:

x^2 + (3/2)x + 9/16 = 2 + 9/16

then you have

(x + (3/4))^2 = 2 + 9/16

because (x+ 3/4)(x+ 3/4) = x^2 + 2(3/4)x + 9/16

any way, solve for x by taking the square root of both sides

x + 3/4 = (2 + 9/16)^1/2

so x = ((2 + 9/16)^1/2) - 3/4

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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1 + 1 = 3

speedy_thrills

7,958 posts

273 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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ifc63 said:
Now in my day...
Every one failed the honest way and then they scaled the marking so those who failed by the lowest margin passed?

I’ve only ever seen it done once, with the scaling 2 people in a class of 30 passed structural analysis (without scaling no one would have passed). It’s like giving insolvable problems, its against modern teaching practices (Don’t ask me why, I’m not sure).

gasblaster

27,584 posts

309 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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In my USA school they used to 'curve' marks, so if say the highest score in the class was 91%, they would increase that to 100% and then add 9 marks to everyone else's score too. Bizarre.

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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gasblaster said:
In my USA school they used to 'curve' marks, so if say the highest score in the class was 91%, they would increase that to 100% and then add 9 marks to everyone else's score too. Bizarre.

They do that because you can't use the same questions year in year out. What if one year the test was slightly harder then the year before? Thus, the top 5%, (or whatever) get the top grades. I actually think thats a fairer way of doing it.

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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andy mac said:
1 + 1 = 3


Ah, the accountant amogst us!

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Serious question, can you be number blind in the same way as dyslexia? Even when it's explained, I just don't get it Numbers just don't make sense to me

caduceus

6,130 posts

296 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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seafarer said:

Multiply out the parenthesis: FOIL: First, Inside, Outside, Last


Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

314 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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gasblaster said:
In my USA school they used to 'curve' marks, so if say the highest score in the class was 91%, they would increase that to 100% and then add 9 marks to everyone else's score too. Bizarre.

I had that in my Higher Physics prelim.

I got 99.5% moved up to 100%

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