Ladies - If you wear skimpy clothes......
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Its partly your own fault if you get raped.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21112005/344/women-blame-ra
I cant believe the mentality of some people. A woman no matter what she is doing deserves to get raped how can people think like this?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21112005/344/women-blame-ra
I cant believe the mentality of some people. A woman no matter what she is doing deserves to get raped how can people think like this?
DJ111S said:
Edited by mod.
I honestly don't think that is what he meant.
That's a bit out of order i think mate, he's not saying that they should be raped is it? Bit of a jump you've made there. Personally if i'd gone and chatted up a girl at a club, taken her back to mine then never called her again i'd consider it as "treating her as a whore" but in no way would it be rape.
Anyway, it's
disgusting isn't it: Does anyone remember from a few years ago a female witness in court was made to produce the underwear she was wearing at the time she was raped as it was used as evidence to, basically, show she "wanted it". I think she may have comitted suicide (i studied this in Law at college but can't quite remember) afterwords and it just shows how twisted the judge must have been to have allowed it. I can't understand what would drive someone to rape as i can't imagine it being fun if the other person isn't as up for it as you are, simple. Horrid. 
Cheers,
Rob.
>> Edited by on Monday 21st November 23:44
Its bad enough that alot of women don't report rape because they are made to feel responsible by the perpetrator. With a report like that, they're bound to feel even more at fault.
Its a shame these same blokes that think your asking for it if you dress in little tops and skirts, but doesn't stop them looking with their tongues hanging out. Or making lewd comments as they walk past.
So on the premise that if your a drunk female your asking for it, is a fella who is drunk and gets mugged or beaten up in the street also asking for it?
Its a shame these same blokes that think your asking for it if you dress in little tops and skirts, but doesn't stop them looking with their tongues hanging out. Or making lewd comments as they walk past.
So on the premise that if your a drunk female your asking for it, is a fella who is drunk and gets mugged or beaten up in the street also asking for it?
While I agree that it is ridiculous to suggest that a woman is 'asking for it' if they wear skimpy clothes, there was a professor of psychology on the radio the other day making the point that they should be aware that they are increasing their risk of being a target by dressing provocatively. By dressing in a certain way, women will cause an increased level of sexual arousal in men. Any normal man would not then go and rape them, but I think you'd struggle to describe a rapist as 'normal'.
Nobody deserves to be raped for dressing a certain way, but surely it's only sensible to acknowledge and be aware of the fact that you are increasing your likelihood of being a target?
Sam
Nobody deserves to be raped for dressing a certain way, but surely it's only sensible to acknowledge and be aware of the fact that you are increasing your likelihood of being a target?
Sam
Interesting.
We had a discussion not long ago about how if you parked your beautiful, expensive car in the Supermarket car park it was somehow "your own fault" when someone keyed it.
Some people on the thread seemed to agree that partly it was!
Gaz, I believe, made the point that such an argument was awfully close to "she was asking for it".
Personally I'm of the opinion that if she was asking for it she would do just that: ask. If she's saying "No! No! Please don't hurt me." I suspect that means "No." Anyone who thinks one could confuse the two is a sandwich short of a picnic.
Ladies should be able to make themselves look nice and not expect to be raped. Whistled at, maybe. Similarly one should be able to leave one's nice car in a decent car park and expect it to be as you left it when you get back.
>> Edited by Don on Monday 21st November 19:27
We had a discussion not long ago about how if you parked your beautiful, expensive car in the Supermarket car park it was somehow "your own fault" when someone keyed it.
Some people on the thread seemed to agree that partly it was!
Gaz, I believe, made the point that such an argument was awfully close to "she was asking for it".
Personally I'm of the opinion that if she was asking for it she would do just that: ask. If she's saying "No! No! Please don't hurt me." I suspect that means "No." Anyone who thinks one could confuse the two is a sandwich short of a picnic.
Ladies should be able to make themselves look nice and not expect to be raped. Whistled at, maybe. Similarly one should be able to leave one's nice car in a decent car park and expect it to be as you left it when you get back.
>> Edited by Don on Monday 21st November 19:27
My view is that the questions were phrased to give a controversial result.
ie:
1) If a woman dresses provactively and then gets raped, is she partly to blame?
Should really be
1) If a woman dresses provocatively, is she more likely to suffer a rape?
I don't think anyone really blames a rape on the way a woman dresses or behaves, but its perfectly understandable that some women stray too close to the fire and get their wings singed. Not that I'm condoning the actions of some men.
I listened today to a Manchester radio station, and was shocked at the attitude of a rape-victim support group, that not enough rape prosecutions against men were successful. Is she seriously suggesting that when its her word against his, we should assume that the man is telling porkies? Its people like her IMO who cause more problems than they solve.
ie:
1) If a woman dresses provactively and then gets raped, is she partly to blame?
Should really be
1) If a woman dresses provocatively, is she more likely to suffer a rape?
I don't think anyone really blames a rape on the way a woman dresses or behaves, but its perfectly understandable that some women stray too close to the fire and get their wings singed. Not that I'm condoning the actions of some men.
I listened today to a Manchester radio station, and was shocked at the attitude of a rape-victim support group, that not enough rape prosecutions against men were successful. Is she seriously suggesting that when its her word against his, we should assume that the man is telling porkies? Its people like her IMO who cause more problems than they solve.
I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate for a moment here....
But there is a difficulty in terminology here, first thing to get straight, is no one is actually asking to get raped, but let's face it, it's a jungle out there and there are plenty of precautions that can be taken to avoid an unpleasant encounter.
If I were to walk through some notorious regiions of the East End of London (or any major city for that mattter) wearing a smart suit with £50 notes pinned all over it, what's going to happen? I get robbed.
If I were to go and live in the jungles of south America for a few months wearing nothing more than a pair of shorts, what's going to happen? Likely I'll get bitten by mosquittos and die of malaria.
How bout I go camp at the North Pole with nothing more than my fancy suit (now devoid of its £50 notes)? _ I'm gonna die of hypothermia.
What people are missing here is that, despite what we would like to expect, and despite what our, sorry your, beloved governamet would like you believe, it is a jungle out there and some mutha fecker is always out to get you.
Getting raped for wearing sexy clothes/being too drunk is inexcusable up to the point that you have to consider, if you weren't drunk and dressed upto the nines, would you have got raped?
Listen!!!! Before you go off at me I'm not advocating an excuse for rape. What I am saying is that there is never one side to the coin, your actions do contribute to what happens to you.
Millions of homosexual men have lived in fear due purely to not being able to act gay in public.
Drink 10 pints of wifebeater and go play on a busy dual carrieage way and you're likely to end up in hosptital.
Like wise dress sexy, get pissed, you are an instant victim. Much as I'd like to say it's not their fault, it is - to a degree. That degree being, you have to be responsible for your actions, and live according to your environment - and much as you might like to blame someone else take a look around and then decide who's at fault.
But there is a difficulty in terminology here, first thing to get straight, is no one is actually asking to get raped, but let's face it, it's a jungle out there and there are plenty of precautions that can be taken to avoid an unpleasant encounter.
If I were to walk through some notorious regiions of the East End of London (or any major city for that mattter) wearing a smart suit with £50 notes pinned all over it, what's going to happen? I get robbed.
If I were to go and live in the jungles of south America for a few months wearing nothing more than a pair of shorts, what's going to happen? Likely I'll get bitten by mosquittos and die of malaria.
How bout I go camp at the North Pole with nothing more than my fancy suit (now devoid of its £50 notes)? _ I'm gonna die of hypothermia.
What people are missing here is that, despite what we would like to expect, and despite what our, sorry your, beloved governamet would like you believe, it is a
jungle out there and some mutha fecker is always out to get you. Getting raped for wearing sexy clothes/being too drunk is inexcusable up to the point that you have to consider, if you weren't drunk and dressed upto the nines, would you have got raped?
Listen!!!! Before you go off at me I'm not advocating an excuse for rape. What I am saying is that there is never one side to the coin, your actions do contribute to what happens to you.
Millions of homosexual men have lived in fear due purely to not being able to act gay in public.
Drink 10 pints of wifebeater and go play on a busy dual carrieage way and you're likely to end up in hosptital.
Like wise dress sexy, get pissed, you are an instant victim. Much as I'd like to say it's not their fault, it is - to a degree. That degree being, you have to be responsible for your actions, and live according to your environment - and much as you might like to blame someone else take a look around and then decide who's at fault.
A good analogy I heard was related to a jeweller's. If you're selling nice expensive jewellery, you're obviously going to want to display it. However this is also going to make you a more likely target for a thief. Are you asking to have your shop robbed? No, but in the imperfect world that we live in, with a fair number of messed-up people in, you're certainly increasing your chances.
In an ideal world you wouldn't have to worry, but in the real world you do.
Sam
In an ideal world you wouldn't have to worry, but in the real world you do.
Sam
samwilliams said:
A good analogy I heard was related to a jeweller's. If you're selling nice expensive jewellery, you're obviously going to want to display it. However this is also going to make you a more likely target for a thief. Are you asking to have your shop robbed? No, but in the imperfect world that we live in, with a fair number of messed-up people in, you're certainly increasing your chances.
In an ideal world you wouldn't have to worry, but in the real world you do.
Sam
A jewellery shop is advertising its wares, for the specific purpose of selling them. A woman in a skimpy outfit is advertising her wares, but may only be doing so because she likes the attention of men (and women).
Excession, I have to agree and find it unbelieveable that there seems to be no responsibility taken by these increasing numbers of victims.
You have insurance - ie:
'Take a group of friends or a large boyfriend with you if you want to display your family jewels'
samwilliams said:
A good analogy I heard was related to a jeweller's. If you're selling nice expensive jewellery, you're obviously going to want to display it. However this is also going to make you a more likely target for a thief. Are you asking to have your shop robbed? No, but in the imperfect world that we live in, with a fair number of messed-up people in, you're certainly increasing your chances.
In an ideal world you wouldn't have to worry, but in the real world you do.
Sam
You have insurance - ie:
'Take a group of friends or a large boyfriend with you if you want to display your family jewels'
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