EU rebate. Blair opens his cheeks and takes one.
EU rebate. Blair opens his cheeks and takes one.
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anonymous-user

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84 months

Thursday 1st December 2005
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pesty

42,655 posts

286 months

Thursday 1st December 2005
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hold on. didnt he say a few months ago he would never give up the rebate?

I'm sure it was posted on here and im sure I posted yea right! at the time.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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pesty said:
hold on. didnt he say a few months ago he would never give up the rebate?


Technicaly speaking reducing it to 1pence isnt giving it up... damned politico speak.

Soundslike he's lubing up and droped em for the franco-german alliance...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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That'll be 1 Penny, good Sir......

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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mybrainhurts said:
That'll be 1 Penny, good Sir......


heh it'll prob be 1 cent by the time its negotiated...

JMGS4

8,932 posts

300 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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greg_D

6,542 posts

276 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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has anyone actually read the story,

all they are saying is that they are not seeking a rebate from new member states, the existing rebate will stay as is.

Stop and breathe people, hold that knee down

Greg

Jaglover

46,807 posts

265 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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I would have preferred an agreement to drastically scale back CAP to precede any reduction of the UK rebate, but perhaps some flexibility is needed to get a deal on the budget.

Yugguy

10,728 posts

265 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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I may be wrong, but listening to the radio 4 item about this today, I got the impression that whatever Blair has done will cost us an extra 4 billion. Most of which will probably go to some Frog farmers so they can afford to take weeks off to do fuel protests (and feck up my holiday, b@stards)

scorp

8,783 posts

259 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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were does this 4 billion come from? Greedy Gordon has already spent all his tax revenue

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

274 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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scorp said:
were does this 4 billion come from? Greedy Gordon has already spent all his tax revenue

Bend over, here comes the tricky bit.

slapmatt

1,132 posts

252 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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The EU. The IRA. Blair clearly likes to bend over and take it up the a$$.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

274 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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slapmatt said:
The EU. The IRA. Blair clearly likes to bend over and take it up the a$$.
... and then whose a$$ does he take it out of?

"Hello, what's your name? Oh, Shafted? Funny, me too. Oh, and him, and him, and him."

Oli.

CupraR

676 posts

259 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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How the hell can he even consider giving up any of the rebate without an agreement to significantly cut subsidies paid to the frog farmers? ing traitor.

ATG

23,811 posts

302 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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The rebate is not a holy grail. It is only necessary so long as the rest of the budget screws the UK. If the budget is up for negotiation then the structure of the rebate ought to be up for negotiation too. The bottom line is that the UK is likely to need to maintain a substantial rebate of some kind for as long as France and Germany continue to receive disproportionately more EU funding than the UK does.

Where Blair appears to have dropped a bollock is to allow several EU members to pretend that the problem with the EU budget is only the UK's refusal to yield on its rebate, hence all the "Sherrif of Nottingham" piffle. The thing is, that line of argument is incredibly flimsy. I do wonder if by not rebutting it now, the UK is intentionally allowing the protesting governments to back themselves into a corner. The more confidently they blame the UK now, the weaker their position will be when their argument is demonstrated to be bollox ... which isn't hard; all you have to do is see which governments are currently looking to cap the total EU budget, then compare budget proposals based on per capita GDP and per capita EU spend btwn the major contributors.

Bottom line is that the major contributors will not allow the total EU budget to grow substantially. The UK rebate is peanuts compared to the hole in EU finances, so it is a red herring at best. The UK rebate in the current budget is also demonstrably fair as without it we would be substantially greater contributors to the EU budget than France.

If the EU wants to spend more money in the East and it won't get a bigger total budget, then it must cut spending in the West. That means CAP reform. Publicly France wants to cap the EU budget, spend more in the East, yet won't allow CAP to be touched. That position is an absolute nonesense.

Jaglover

46,807 posts

265 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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ATG said:
The rebate is not a holy grail. It is only necessary so long as the rest of the budget screws the UK. If the budget is up for negotiation then the structure of the rebate ought to be up for negotiation too. The bottom line is that the UK is likely to need to maintain a substantial rebate of some kind for as long as France and Germany continue to receive disproportionately more EU funding than the UK does.


CupraR

676 posts

259 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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ATG said:
The rebate is not a holy grail. It is only necessary so long as the rest of the budget screws the UK. If the budget is up for negotiation then the structure of the rebate ought to be up for negotiation too. The bottom line is that the UK is likely to need to maintain a substantial rebate of some kind for as long as France and Germany continue to receive disproportionately more EU funding than the UK does.
Thanks for stating the blatantly obvious.

ATG

23,811 posts

302 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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CupraR said:
Thanks for stating the blatantly obvious.
Glad you accept the obvious. What's you beef then? Given that he has made it clear that we'd only accept a reduction in the rebate on the basis of reform of agricultural subsidies, what's the problem?

CupraR

676 posts

259 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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ATG said:
Glad you accept the obvious. What's you beef then? Given that he has made it clear that we'd only accept a reduction in the rebate on the basis of reform of agricultural subsidies, what's the problem?
From the BBC website:

Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said: "There's a danger of getting the worst of all possible worlds - Britain gives up £1bn a year, the Eastern European countries get less money and there is no agreement to reform agriculture."

That's my beef with it dawg.

>> Edited by CupraR on Friday 2nd December 14:10

ATG

23,811 posts

302 months

Friday 2nd December 2005
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Lib Dems say "there is a danger" ... hardly grounds for having a cow, man.