Religious Hatred Bill...or how to strip freedom of speech!
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Have a look at the following BBC article:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4664398.stm
What a pile of sh't!!! Can't believe the government is trying it on like this...can tell the PM's a devout christian can't you - they're the ones who don't believe in evolution because it hasn't happened to them yet!!!
FFS, REALLY pissed off by this - how dare they try and protect their own hypocritical bigoted superstitions with a f'kin LAW!!! Just because the blatent facts of it are that they're following the biggest work of fiction since Tolkien or Tolstoy picked up a pen, why the f*&% should we have to give them the time of day. Especially when the next thing that will happen will be the teaching of so-called 'Intelligent Design' in schools.
(As if the unfair support of secular schools introduced under this government wasn't enough of an attempt at brainwashing the young, impressionable and vulnerable!!!)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4664398.stm
What a pile of sh't!!! Can't believe the government is trying it on like this...can tell the PM's a devout christian can't you - they're the ones who don't believe in evolution because it hasn't happened to them yet!!!
FFS, REALLY pissed off by this - how dare they try and protect their own hypocritical bigoted superstitions with a f'kin LAW!!! Just because the blatent facts of it are that they're following the biggest work of fiction since Tolkien or Tolstoy picked up a pen, why the f*&% should we have to give them the time of day. Especially when the next thing that will happen will be the teaching of so-called 'Intelligent Design' in schools.
(As if the unfair support of secular schools introduced under this government wasn't enough of an attempt at brainwashing the young, impressionable and vulnerable!!!)
me, is there ANYTHING you can't turn into an attack on Christianity. I mean they've just put some speed ramps down near one of our local schools.
Must be the fault of those pesky churchgoers. On behalf of them I'd like to apologise for global warming, declining Atlantic fish-stocks and the preponderance of rnb in the charts these days as I expect that's our fault too.
I'm amazed on a daily basis at the amount of sheer hatred, bile and vitriol spewed out against churchgoers.
>> Edited by Yugguy on Tuesday 31st January 13:02
Most Christians, whether churchgoers or not, would be against the provisions of this bill. Freedom of thought and expression is something that evolved in Western, Christian, societies. Any laws which try to restrict these freedoms are inherently wrong.
Lets hope the Lords do their stuff again and reject this legislation.
Lets hope the Lords do their stuff again and reject this legislation.
Sorry yugguy, just needed to vent my spleen.
I do know at heart that the majority of religious people are, in the main, sensible and moderate (all religions). It's just they're the quiet ones who get on with life as normal.
It's these power-crazed hypocritical bigots who take it all too seriously and can't stand ANY criticism that get my goat. And when it's the PM of MY country doing it, I feel I'm allowed to let loose once in a while.
One thought though...if he's part of your religion, shouldn't you be complaining about his actions? After all, his actions are reflecting badly on your belief system.
I do know at heart that the majority of religious people are, in the main, sensible and moderate (all religions). It's just they're the quiet ones who get on with life as normal.
It's these power-crazed hypocritical bigots who take it all too seriously and can't stand ANY criticism that get my goat. And when it's the PM of MY country doing it, I feel I'm allowed to let loose once in a while.
One thought though...if he's part of your religion, shouldn't you be complaining about his actions? After all, his actions are reflecting badly on your belief system.
havoc said:
Sorry yugguy, just needed to vent my spleen.
I do know at heart that the majority of religious people are, in the main, sensible and moderate (all religions). It's just they're the quiet ones who get on with life as normal.
It's these power-crazed hypocritical bigots who take it all too seriously and can't stand ANY criticism that get my goat. And when it's the PM of MY country doing it, I feel I'm allowed to let loose once in a while.
One thought though...if he's part of your religion, shouldn't you be complaining about his actions? After all, his actions are reflecting badly on your belief system.
Fair play.
I agree about Blair. Yes, I'm a Christian but I do believe in free speech. It's yet another nail in the coffin around this country. If you don't have free speech you can't have debate and you can't move forward.
havoc said:
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But think about it.
Supposing someone said this-
What a pile of sh't!!! Can't believe the government is trying it on like this...can tell the PM's too friendly with black folk can't you - people like him are the ones who don't live near a black area, it hasn't happened near them yet!!!
FFS, REALLY pissed off by this - how dare they try and protect their own unproven notions of race equality with a f'kin LAW!!! Just because the blatent facts of it are that the black run countries are basket cases which proves they're not equal, why the f*&% should we have to give them the time of day. Especially when the next thing that will happen will be the teaching of so-called 'Multiculturalism' in schools.
(If this continues my children will be forced to go go to school with them!)[/quote]
Or make a similar substitution for women, the mentally handicapped, etc
Yes, there is a serious freedom of speech issue here, but there are also good reasons to curb those that are just out to make trouble and cause offence.
Any law which has at its heart the premise that something is "likely to cause offence" is on terribly shaky ground.
How do you predict what is going to offend someone? Even if no one claims that they have actually been offended, the CPS, the DPP or the police can take it on themselves to assume that someone MIGHT have been offended and press charges.
All terribly, terribly worrying.
(PS - I hope I haven't offended anybody).
How do you predict what is going to offend someone? Even if no one claims that they have actually been offended, the CPS, the DPP or the police can take it on themselves to assume that someone MIGHT have been offended and press charges.
All terribly, terribly worrying.
(PS - I hope I haven't offended anybody).
Yugguy said:
me, is there ANYTHING you can't turn into an attack on Christianity.
I mean they've just put some speed ramps down near one of our local schools.
Must be the fault of those pesky churchgoers. On behalf of them I'd like to apologise for global warming, declining Atlantic fish-stocks and the preponderance of rnb in the charts these days as I expect that's our fault too.
I'm amazed on a daily basis at the amount of sheer hatred, bile and vitriol spewed out against churchgoers.
>> Edited by Yugguy on Tuesday 31st January 13:02
Are you a Flagellant?
cymtriks said:
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An alternative perspective using race, not religion
Sorry Cym, can't agree with you.
Race is an immutable fact about a person, same as gender, sexual orientation, or disability.
Religion is a choice BY that person. If they choose to believe and live their life by a certain code, they should be able to defend that choice with logical argument and examples. And others should be able to raise questions of them about their belief.
So your argument falls apart.
As for the Jews...they are a race (semites), not just a religion. The Nazi persecution of them was racially motivated as they were felt to be genetically inferior 'untermensch'. So again, not a fair comparison.
rich1231 said:
I mean they've just put some speed ramps down near one of our local schools.
Must be the fault of those pesky churchgoers. On behalf of them I'd like to apologise for global warming, declining Atlantic fish-stocks and the preponderance of rnb in the charts these days as I expect that's our fault too.
I'm amazed on a daily basis at the amount of sheer hatred, bile and vitriol spewed out against churchgoers.
>> Edited by Yugguy on Tuesday 31st January 13:02
Are you a Flagellant?
No but I wouldn't mind killing a few of you lot with the jawbone of a donkey!
Please wait while I grow my hair somewhat.
>> Edited by Yugguy on Tuesday 31st January 14:58
government wag said:
But nonetheless, in addition to those assurances, we're putting on the face of the bill a very clear commitment that providing people are not setting out to incite hatred then they can have robust discussion, criticism, ridicule, even expressed in abusive and insulting terms
Right then........
Your starter for 10.......
mybrainhurts said:
it could lock some of the nutters away.
Or be terribly misused to hamper and perception of freedom of speech. There are any number of posts on PH today (half a dozen that I'm aware of) that could potentially fall foul of an interpretation of this legistlation.
All it needs is several high profile "investigations" under this act, in the same manner that "investigations" are publicised for anything from expressing doubt over homosexual adoption to a TV presenter noting she disliked the Welsh, to start to stifle any sort of debate.
The moment the thought pops into your head of "oh, should I say that?" then the thought police are succeeding.
Unfortunately the legistlation is so loosely worded that it can be open to any number of interpretations. Some interpretations I'd find reasonable. Some I find onerous.
I have no doubt that the PC brigade will insist on its use in the strictest sense.
The problem here will be - does someone have to prove you intended to stir up hatred or do you have to prove you didn't? An awful lot of similar legislation takes the view that if it upset/offends someone then it was unlawful - ie even if not intended - with this current proposal that could be very dangerous.
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