Secret memo exposes Bush - Blair warmongering.

[tallbloke]

Just reported on Channel 4 news
A secret memo details a meeting on 31st Jan 2003.
Bush proposes to Blair that given the lack of WMD evidence they could send an American U2 recon aircraft painted in UN colours with fighter escourt to low fly over Iraqi Airspace to encourage Saddam to shoot it down and so create a material breach to resolution 1441!

Are these nutters for real?

[simpo two]

Why bother with a fighter escort then?

Don't worry, I'm sure this sort of international gamesmanship has always gone on. Like Germany only attacked Poland because one of its guard huts was attacked (except they made that bit up).

[tallbloke]

So although Saddam hasn't done anything in breach of 1441, and without any proof on the WMD front, the U.S. and U.K. start a war and invade anyway.

And you don't see any kind of problem with that, because it's the sort of thing the Nazi's did, so it's ok.

[Parrot of Doom]

I don't recall Poland doing much wrong before they were invaded.

[Fortjefferson]

simpo two said:

Why bother with a fighter escort then? Don't worry, I'm sure this sort of international gamesmanship has always gone on. Like Germany only attacked Poland because one of its guard huts was attacked (except they made that bit up).

But why did we care about Poland, and declare war?

[yertis]

tallbloke said:

So although Saddam hasn't done anything in breach of 1441, and without any proof on the WMD front, the U.S. and U.K. start a war and invade anyway. And you don't see any kind of problem with that, because it's the sort of thing the Nazi's did, so it's ok.

Oops! Bzzzzzzzzt. Godwin's Law. Go back to guardian.co.uk. go back directly to guardian.co.uk. Do not... you get the picture.

[tallbloke]

yertis said:

Oops! Bzzzzzzzzt. Godwin's Law. Go back to guardian.co.uk. go back directly to guardian.co.uk. Do not...

...pass the undefended weapons dump, do not collect 3000 tons of explosives. Yep, I see how the game is played now

[Jaglover]

Secret Memo reveals that Tallbloke uses any possible opportunity to bash Bush/America

[ATG]

tallbloke said:

So although Saddam hasn't done anything in breach of 1441, and without any proof on the WMD front, the U.S. and U.K. start a war and invade anyway. And you don't see any kind of problem with that, because it's the sort of thing the Nazi's did, so it's ok.

they were in breach of 1441. They didn't have to take pot shots at US aircraft to be in breach of 1441; it just would have created a nice excuse.

[scorp]

Parrot of Doom said:

I don't recall Poland doing much wrong before they were invaded.

I think it was czechoslovakia (sp?) which was accused of border skirmishes by the nazis.

[alexkp]

Without knowing more about this memo it is important to remember that Governments explore all kinds of hypothetical possibilites with regard to military action.

[scorp]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Do they normally pass memo's to each other discussing various ways of duping the public?

[FunkyNige]

I thought the U2 was retired a long time ago?

[Petrol_noggin]

surely the normal black paintscheme is more visible against the sky, as opposed to light colours during the day?

FunkyNige said:

I thought the U2 was retired a long time ago?

No I hear Bono still hasn't found what he's looking for.

[yertis]

FunkyNige said:

I thought the U2 was retired a long time ago?

U2, TR1 they call it which ever these days. Either way an expensive piece of kit to throw away in such manner, when there are planty of cheaper alternatives available.

[chassis 33]

Jaglover said:

Secret Memo reveals that Tallbloke uses any possible opportunity to bash Bush/America

...can I join in? Please Rog?

Regards
Iain

[tallbloke]

chassis 33 said:

Jaglover said: Secret Memo reveals that Tallbloke uses any possible opportunity to bash Bush/America ...can I join in? Please Rog? Regards Iain

Be my Guest

[deevlash]

I wish theyd just come out and say "Howdy! we invaded Iraq because we wanted their oil and its a good staging post for taking out the real nutters in Iran" I wouldnt have a problem with that and frankly I bet a lot of other people wouldnt either.

[nonegreen]

There are 3 of them involved, 2 are nutters and 1 is as thick as pile of lavatory seats. Clue, Saddam and Camblair are nutters.

[deevlash]

If George Bush is so stupid how come hes managed to get where he is? I think it suits a lot of people to assume he's stupid because it makes it easier for them to rationalise how he gets to shape the world and they don't