Am I right by thinking you can 'Fast Track' a cheque?
Am I right by thinking you can 'Fast Track' a cheque?
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pwig

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12,005 posts

301 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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If so how long does it take to clear?

Muncher

12,235 posts

280 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Yes, it is a CHAPS payment. It costs £20 and the money clears the same day.

or

Special Cheque Presentation - A cheque paid into your account sent direct to another branch or bank for payment
Normally this service is used to find out earlier if a cheque is going to be paid, although it doesn't speed up the clearing process, typically £10.





ultimasimon

9,646 posts

289 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Although funds drawn from an illegal or fraudulent cheque can be asked to be repaid by the bank even after it has been 'cleared'. Sometimes after ten days of more.

Cheques are a very dodgy thing

Muncher

12,235 posts

280 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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ultimasimon said:
Although funds drawn from an illegal or fraudulent cheque can be asked to be repaid by the bank even after it has been 'cleared'. Sometimes after ten days of more.

Cheques are a very dodgy thing


Quite right, this isn't the case with CHAPS though, hence the hefty cost.

It's used in conveyancing for the transfer of purchase/sale price so is safe.

ultimasimon

9,646 posts

289 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Muncher said:
ultimasimon said:
Although funds drawn from an illegal or fraudulent cheque can be asked to be repaid by the bank even after it has been 'cleared'. Sometimes after ten days of more.

Cheques are a very dodgy thing


Quite right, this isn't the case with CHAPS though, hence the hefty cost.

It's used in conveyancing for the transfer of purchase/sale price so is safe.


Ok you already know where I was coming from with this.. but in a sitatuion of risk, why don't banks advise customers of the risks and therefore ask or recommend them to use CHAPS for all payments over a certain limit i.e. £1000 ?

Shirly if they make their customers aware of the risks they stand a batter chance of keeping them, rather than having to go through all the hassle when things go wrong?

After all, mortgages and other financial institutions are governmed by FIMBRA, LOUTRO, the FSA etc, and mortgages have statements like, "Your home is at risk if you do not keep up repayments" etc so why no warning about the risks assoicated with cheques?

Strange me thinks

Muncher

12,235 posts

280 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Good question

There must be a reason why the banks make more money with the present system and are in no hurry to change it. The cheque clearing process is already laboured and takes far too long. Ever for £1k payments I doubt most people would be willing to pay for a CHAPS payment, which is less simple to initialise.

ultimasimon

9,646 posts

289 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Maybe as someone had already mentioned in the other thread, a 'general fraud banking isnurance' could be applied as a small percentage to cover against this

Cheques are so Testarossa, maybe with the advent of the new 'chip and pin' they could do instant transfers from one account to another for a reasonable fee - say £5? and guarantee the transaction as well. That would pretty much make cheques obsolete.

Oops sory pwig, I just hijacked your thread

pwig

Original Poster:

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301 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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You can have it, I appear to have the answer

xiphias

5,889 posts

258 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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IIRC, somebody mentioned the only reason funds take a while to transfer between banks is because the banks just can't be bothered to do it any quicker, when in fact they easily have the facilities to.

Muncher

12,235 posts

280 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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I think the reluctance of the bank to guarantee cheques is that it will leave the banks so wide open to fraud themselves. Difficult and time consuming to investigate.

Hypothetically speaking if the 419 scam were to be carried out, the scammers would still profit and account holders could also profit by engineering such a situation fraudulently which would be impossible to trace.

CHAPS works as the use of it is restricted, the volume of the transactions are low and payments are between UK/EU banks.

I guess the banks are also reluctant to alter the cheques system as it is clearly on the way out.

rsvmilly

11,288 posts

272 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Incidentally, last time I tried to fast clear a cheque in Abbey National (last 6 or 8 months) they told me they no longer do this.

Ali_Kat

32,156 posts

252 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Take it to a pawnbrokers, with your passport and a utility bill (gas/electric) - they charge @ 7% and give you the cash in 20 or so minutes!!

plasticpig

12,932 posts

256 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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In theory you can go to the bank the cheque is drawn on and ask them to honour it.
However I doubt most staff at the local branch our actually familiar with the law on this and you would probalby get a blank look.

225

1,331 posts

257 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Barclays don't do this anymore either.