Figure skating... A sport?
Figure skating... A sport?
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Andy Mac

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286 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Just had figure skating on TV, and I can't for the life of me see how it is a sport. Ther eis no particular quantifiable item that you can measure a performance from, as such it is down to the opinion of some judges. As such, is it not an artistic performance, and thus art, not sport? Will we see Ballet in the summer olympics? Gymnastics has a thread of this, where they do the tumbles, and bits with balls, and so on and so forth. Long jump.. Longest distance. 100m.. Fastest time, and so on... So could someone explain to me how something that is down to an opinion is sport?

moleamol

15,887 posts

294 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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We were having this argument in work today, about how certain snowboard disciplines are pretty much unquantifiable. The half pipe for example. It's a weird one.

jeff m

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289 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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los angeles said:
Moleamol, Andy, don't you think its the Olympic committee giving into political pressure, sponsorship deals, and plain corruption, to dare justify some of those silly categories as a "sport"?


Absolutely,
Sync Swimming was the death of the Olympics for me.

But evidently sponsers loved it because it doubled their audience.

Andy Mac

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286 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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los angeles said:
Moleamol, Andy, don't you think its the Olympic committee giving into political pressure, sponsorship deals, and plain corruption, to dare justify some of those silly categories as a "sport"?

I'm not sure. Who do you see advetising figure skating, or who sponsors it? Can you name a skater? Does it only appeal to a female audience? I think they are skillful, certainly, but how you can base a sport on opinion is beyond me. I think Everton should win every match, but it doesn't, it's down to quantifiable figure, ie goals. All this 'I'm a celebrity get me off this ballroom, and onto the ice rink' type programs probably don't help...

Corpulent Tosser

5,468 posts

276 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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IMO it is only sport if the winner wins by achieving something tangible, higher, faster, longer, more etc.

These 'sports' were points are given for style are a load of old bollox, even long jump, surely it should be whoever goes furthest and lands on his/her skis that is the winner, style my arse !

Boxing - I like the amateur points scoring where the judges have a button the press if a legitimate punch is landed, though it too is open to abuse, I would prefer if one boxer knocks the other out he is the winner, or whoever knocks the other down most wins, if there are no knockdown or knockout then it is a draw.

Syncronised swimming, no I am not going there !

Show jumping and dressage, WTF !!!!!

-DeaDLocK-

3,368 posts

282 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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I think there are some elements of quantification in every sport, some more than others. Figure skating does have "objectives", like how certain movements need to be performed within a particular performance. I think to us lay men, it can appear to be totally arbitrary, but I think there is some scientific basis to the scoring.

Not a whole lot though, as this article would suggest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_s

In principle I guess it is no different from the football referee who doesn't call the handball in the penalty box because his vision was obscured by another player - there is video footage, but it isn't used and his decision is final, hence open to some degree of human error and interpretation.

I enjoy watching figure skating, and after a few even though you can't really put a finger on how or why and properly articulate it, you know a good one from a bad one (the "form" is just different) and in my experience the judging consistently reflects the order of my own opinions of the performances even though the scores themselves seem arbitrary. But as long as the one who wins Gold was the one who I thought was best (or second best), then the actual numbers don't matter.

Jaglover

46,841 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Figure skating is both an art and a sport and the winter Olympics is much richer for its presence.

And you are all losing sight of what is really important; attractive girls in short skirts.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

275 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Figure skating is excruciatingly boring, but I don't have to watch it.

Yugguy

10,728 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Well it is quantifiable in that you get more points for a quad spin than a triple and more for a triple than a double.

Ali_Kat

32,157 posts

252 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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I love the figure skating, but then I used to do it, so.......

Have to agree that watching some of it can be a bit boring, but the couples freestyle stuff (like our own legends Torvil and Dean) are brilliant!!

williamp

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304 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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I am split on this one: on one hand, its good to see new sports represneted and giving them a chance to show. On the other hand, I have always believed the Olympics should be about the absolute best.

You know; fittest, strongest, fastest, most committed, etc etc. Not really about poetic movements. Or skill for that matter (although this naturally comes into it, not not pure skill).

Yugguy

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266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Wouldn't you say there's a skill involved in making a technically difficult move look graceful? You should watch dancing on ice, some of those 'celebs' such as David Seaman can actual skate, but the skill they lack is making it look graceful.

Ali_Kat

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252 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Yugguy said:
Wouldn't you say there's a skill involved in making a technically difficult move look graceful? You should watch dancing on ice, some of those 'celebs' such as David Seaman can actual skate, but the skill they lack is making it look graceful.


Oh god yes - to think that David et al had not skated before, and just had six weeks training before they started filming - its amazing the standards that they have got to - it took me years to learn some of the skills they are doing!!

Bear in mind, that for the dancing in the Olympics, skaters like Torvil and Dean will practice their routine every day for 12 months to get it perfect, having spent months before that deciding what music, what to put in it etc etc etc - these 'celebs' get a week for each routine!

Figure skating is bloody hard work, and dangerous as well - the blades are just that, sharp blades. We have all slipped and fallen over on ice/snow - legs go everywhere, imagine that with a couple of blades on your feet.......not to mention the fact that the ice is a bloddy hard landing!!

Don

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315 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Jaglover said:
And you are all losing sight of what is really important; attractive girls in short skirts.


So glad I wasn't the only one thinking this!

Roll on Wimbledon (same deal with the skirts).

flemke

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268 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Corpulent Tosser said:
IMO it is only sport if the winner wins by achieving something tangible, higher, faster, longer, more etc.
Does that mean that if you're skiing down a black-diamond run on your own then you're not doing sport?

simpo two

93,053 posts

296 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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I suppose figure skating is to ice what scales are to piano. It's a techincal exercise and you try to get as close to 100% as possible. 'Test of skill' might be closer than 'sport' but it's still a competition.

Never mind, at the rate they're inventing new winter 'sports' every year ('now we're going to try it backwards on a triangular board while clapping our hands above our head') it will soon get squeezed out as too boring.

gforce

92 posts

251 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Not sure if I'd call it a sport,but it can be dangerous, this photo is what happens when your skating partner forgets to catch you!!

www.strangedangers.com/content/item/113465.html

slapmatt

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253 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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I think ice skaters are at least as much atheletes as say golfers or darts players, so on that along I'd say yes, it is a sport.

russ35

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270 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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Yugguy said:
Wouldn't you say there's a skill involved in making a technically difficult move look graceful? You should watch dancing on ice, some of those 'celebs' such as David Seaman can actual skate, but the skill they lack is making it look graceful.


David Seaman played Ice Hockey when he was a young kid, and also took part in the BBC's 'Strictly Ice Dancing' a couple of years ago. So he is no new comer to the ice.

Andy Mac

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Wednesday 15th February 2006
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flemke said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
IMO it is only sport if the winner wins by achieving something tangible, higher, faster, longer, more etc.
Does that mean that if you're skiing down a black-diamond run on your own then you're not doing sport?

But if you were just going skiing, then no, it would be skiing.. If it were against the clock, and other spectators, then it would be sport...