"We get the government we deserve"
Discussion
I have heard this expression used around here a few times, but I only just thought about it.
Surely it is not just US that gets the government we deserve, surely other people do too, like..Iraqi's for example.
I am thinking that they actually needed a bastard like Saddam to run that place, and we have done them a complete disservice by getting involved even though he may have been an evil bugger!
Would anyone else like to roll back the clock and put saddam back in power, and get the hell out of there??
Surely it is not just US that gets the government we deserve, surely other people do too, like..Iraqi's for example.
I am thinking that they actually needed a bastard like Saddam to run that place, and we have done them a complete disservice by getting involved even though he may have been an evil bugger!
Would anyone else like to roll back the clock and put saddam back in power, and get the hell out of there??
Our democracy is like saying would you like a punch in the nose or a punch in the belly. True democracy should surely give the right to say 'none of the above' and for that vote to have power. If the majority vote for 'none of the above' then the parties should rework their promise until they become electable.
Back to reality.
Back to reality.
hedders said:
I have heard this expression used around here a few times, but I only just thought about it.
Surely it is not just US that gets the government we deserve, surely other people do too, like..Iraqi's for example.
I am thinking that they actually needed a bastard like Saddam to run that place, and we have done them a complete disservice by getting involved even though he may have been an evil bugger!
Would anyone else like to roll back the clock and put saddam back in power, and get the hell out of there??
Interesting idea. Historically Iraq never existed, of course, until the British created it and defined it's boundaries. Problem was it comprised of groups of people with religious and cultural grievances, and indeed it took at brutal dictator to keep that country together, stamping on religious fundamentalism. The Baathist movement was, believe it or not, a socialist secular movement, and that's what Saddam employed to control Iraq. Without that brutal hand, it may well fly apart into 3 separate states. One hopes that it doesn't devolve into a Yugoslavia-like disaster, although it does seem to be going in that direction.....
bjwoods said:
Well - I don't desrve ours.....
as I've never voted for it, neither has 75% of the population....... !
B
Ah but that's just it, the really stupid people vote for Labour, the rest of us stupid people don't vote in a united enough fashion to prevent us getting a stupid government - hence we all deserve this benighted, moronic, wasteful, ignorant, shallow and pitful excuse for a Government.
We dont vote for a gevernment at all, we vote for a MP representative. Uk doesnt even have the pretense of letting you vote for a 'government', unlike say the US where you vote for a representatve and an executive(president+his team).
Just for info non of my votes have counted for a thing.
Just for info non of my votes have counted for a thing.
sadoksevoli said:
Well - I don't desrve ours.....
as I've never voted for it, neither has 75% of the population....... !
B
Ah but that's just it, the really stupid people vote for Labour, the rest of us stupid people don't vote in a united enough fashion to prevent us getting a stupid government - hence we all deserve this benighted, moronic, wasteful, ignorant, shallow and pitful excuse for a Government.
Actually, that's not true. If you look at a map of Britain, almost all of the south voted Conservative, except for shitholes like London and Swindon (doh!). The only people who voted Labour were the bloody northerners, the problem is that there are more of them than there is of us.
968 said:
Interesting idea. Historically Iraq never existed, of course, until the British created it and defined it's boundaries. Problem was it comprised of groups of people with religious and cultural grievances, and indeed it took at brutal dictator to keep that country together, stamping on religious fundamentalism. The Baathist movement was, believe it or not, a socialist secular movement, and that's what Saddam employed to control Iraq. Without that brutal hand, it may well fly apart into 3 separate states. One hopes that it doesn't devolve into a Yugoslavia-like disaster, although it does seem to be going in that direction.....
True enough I suppose.
There are many people (myself among them) advocating greater democracy throughout the third world. However for it to be achieved may require substantial redrawing of national boundaries and the creation of new states. Which is currently unacceptable to the international community.
robdickinson said:
We dont vote for a gevernment at all, we vote for a MP representative. Uk doesnt even have the pretense of letting you vote for a 'government', unlike say the US where you vote for a representatve and an executive(president+his team).
Just for info non of my votes have counted for a thing.
Funnily enough last election for the first time I voted for an independant MP and he in turn voted against HM Govt in the recent vote they lost by one.
Therefore I conclude that in this case my vote stuffed it up Bliar.
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