Is Iraq at the Brink of Civil War?
Discussion
I thought the guy from UKIP got it right, when he said something along the lines of; they went in on a lie about WMD's and have effectively laid the groundwork, not for democracy, but for civil war; meanwhile the real problem is in Iran, where they are intent on building WMD's, and we won't have the ability or the courage to do something about it. More or less what he said.
Seems like Mr Marx may have also had a point when he once said; "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce"
Seems like Mr Marx may have also had a point when he once said; "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce"
police state said:
I thought the guy from UKIP got it right, when he said something along the lines of; they went in on a lie about WMD's and have effectively laid the groundwork, not for democracy, but for civil war; meanwhile the real problem is in Iran, where they are intent on building WMD's, and we won't have the ability or the courage to do something about it. More or less what he said.
Seems like Mr Marx may have also had a point when he once said; "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce"
Bingo. This plays right into the hands of the occupying forces though - I can see nothing but benefit for them as the Iraqis now concentrate on their petty differences instead of working against the common enemy.
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
tallbloke said:
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
But if from these proceed debts and taxes, who is the true anarchist? And further who truly seeks power?
>> Edited by dilbert on Friday 24th February 01:05
dilbert said:
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
But if from these proceed debts and taxes, who is the true anarchist? And further who truly seeks power?
Errr, wibble flip dooo.
And your answer is?
tallbloke said:
Easy Zaktoo, they're just after the oil. the fact that they've destabilised an entire hornets nest of a country to get it seems to have escaped them. There is more feckwittery at work than facism here.
That's why they're wannabes. Although we dismiss them as stupiud at our peril. Could well be their plans are actually going quite well, except very likely for the face/shooting incident.
tallbloke said:
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
But if from these proceed debts and taxes, who is the true anarchist? And further who truly seeks power?
Errr, wibble flip dooo.
And your answer is?
Everyone's fate is what they make it.
dilbert said:
I'm not saying that a civil war is good.
I merely note here that many of the strongest democracies have come about as a result of civil war.
Ugly as it is, wars often sort out who believes what, and which of them will carry the day.
The Larger issue here is what happens if 'the democracy' does indeed prevail, its too simplistic to assume that the three main tribes will forge a new nation, politics change, tribes don't. Your assumption seems to be that the victor takes the spoils, what happens if the victor is ultimately not to the US's liking?. Further, if it becomes just a perceptive illusion, on the basis that the US simply but eventually 'ratifies' it in a conclusive 'it's as good as its gonna get' scenario, and declares mission accomplished. Can we assume that the US will just pack its bags and go home to tuck into their enlarged apple pie; or will it be a case of let's spread the franchise further. Every Empire in history has worked on the principle that the borders to its ambitions are defined by the ability to assert itself; demonstrably with force as the ultimate teacher. The US has a lot of history making to do yet...
Popzak said:Hi Pop zak, r you a viet vet?.A 7.62 sort of guy?. Pop, Common sense has left this world. Things have moved on since our time and political correctness is all that matters.
My heart goes out to all our the Soldiers There.This makes a Bad Situation Worse.
I will never understand why all these people are allowed to carry weapons,why they were never disarmed.Makes it that much harder for the Soldiers
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