ID cards, another take
Discussion
So, the government want ID cards. They're going to be really secure and stop terrorism and everything. They are really great, honest. They are so good they'll really conclusively prove who you are and stuff. You just apply for one and then they add the biometric information of the applicant and then that proves who you are.
But hang on just a goddam minute. What do you actually need to apply for one? A birth certificate, a passport, some domestic bills? All forms of ID that exist can be faked. So what's to stop someone obtaining existing fake documentation and then applying for an ID card, to which HMG will helpfully attach their own biometric data and prove conclusively that they are the person whose ID they have stolen?
I know the government will say "oh, but that's impossible" but as we all know, they are wrong. It's completely possible. Are we heading towards super ID theft? Imagine trying to resolve that if it happened to you.
But hang on just a goddam minute. What do you actually need to apply for one? A birth certificate, a passport, some domestic bills? All forms of ID that exist can be faked. So what's to stop someone obtaining existing fake documentation and then applying for an ID card, to which HMG will helpfully attach their own biometric data and prove conclusively that they are the person whose ID they have stolen?
I know the government will say "oh, but that's impossible" but as we all know, they are wrong. It's completely possible. Are we heading towards super ID theft? Imagine trying to resolve that if it happened to you.
BliarOut said:
Are we heading towards super ID theft?
In a word, yes. The National Identity Register will be a marvelous 'one stop shop' for identity thieves.
BliarOut said:
Imagine trying to resolve that if it happened to you.
You'll just have to change your fingerprints, retina patterns and DNA, oh, hang on, you can't, bugger......
If you're annoyed now then don't read this story Rob.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic
Of course, the fact that it isn't law has never stopped Blair taking parliament for granted has it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic
Of course, the fact that it isn't law has never stopped Blair taking parliament for granted has it?
"make it easier to trace terror suspects"
So, they suspect people of being a terrorist, and the cards will simply allow them to trace them more easily.
Considering how they already suspect the wrong people, does this fill anyone with confidence, especially if your traced and shot while utilising public transport
The whole reasoning for the cards stinks of lazy policing and blanket bombing everyone with the potential of being a suspect, even when they have done nothing wrong!
Guilty until proven innocent will be a real condition of our policing in the UK if ID cards go ahead!
Dave
So, they suspect people of being a terrorist, and the cards will simply allow them to trace them more easily.
Considering how they already suspect the wrong people, does this fill anyone with confidence, especially if your traced and shot while utilising public transport
The whole reasoning for the cards stinks of lazy policing and blanket bombing everyone with the potential of being a suspect, even when they have done nothing wrong!
Guilty until proven innocent will be a real condition of our policing in the UK if ID cards go ahead!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
"make it easier to trace terror suspects"
So, they suspect people of being a terrorist, and the cards will simply allow them to trace them more easily.
Considering how they already suspect the wrong people, does this fill anyone with confidence, especially if your traced and shot while utilising public transport
The whole reasoning for the cards stinks of lazy policing and blanket bombing everyone with the potential of being a suspect, even when they have done nothing wrong!
Guilty until proven innocent will be a real condition of our policing in the UK if ID cards go ahead!
Dave
It's all very simple, when you go to get your card you have to state whether you are a terrorist, illegal immigrant or asylum seaker. This information is then displayed on the card thus making us all safer....
On a serious note, the ONLY way a system like this will be useful (in terms of the state protecting itself from its citizens) is if you have to carry them everywhere you go AND you have to display them everytime you make a transaction. Anything less than this will render them pointless. The government know this and so once the cards are in place will slowly increase the legislation surrounding them until you need an ID card to buy a loaf of bread!
ID theft is of little concern to the government, it will have no impact on the scheme as a whole and the misery caused to a few hundred thousand people who become victims of ID theft will not endanger the government position.
When the future MrsJimothy applied for a National Insurance number they needed proof of where she lived. She could take her driving licence or a utility bill but according to the beurotw
ts the best think she could take would be a signed letter from me stating that she lives with me.
With security checks like this, its no wonder ID cards will be next to useless
ts the best think she could take would be a signed letter from me stating that she lives with me. With security checks like this, its no wonder ID cards will be next to useless
jimothy said:
When the future MrsJimothy applied for a National Insurance number they needed proof of where she lived. She could take her driving licence or a utility bill but according to the beurotw
With security checks like this, its no wonder ID cards will be next to useless
Useless is the best we can hope for.
Einion Yrth said:
Are we heading towards super ID theft?
In a word, yes. The National Identity Register will be a marvelous 'one stop shop' for identity thieves
And blackmailers....
It'll be easy to copy the data from your card...the kit will be along in a minute.
Right then, Mr Prescott, what's it worth to keep quiet about your visit to the Embarrassing Ailments Clinic....?
I don't think that anyone has mentioned this bit...
What happens if you live in more than one place? Do we think that the database designers will allow for this? Because then banks certainly don't! I have a shared bank account with my ex and we use it for the payment of maintenance for my daughter, the problem is that i can no longer access it because they won't send me a card for it, because they can't cope with the fact that the two parties who share the account live in different places. in actual fact, my ex no longer lives at the address on the account but I'm not allowed to change it because of data protection. Obviously I need to be protected against myself don't it?
What happens if you live in more than one place? Do we think that the database designers will allow for this? Because then banks certainly don't! I have a shared bank account with my ex and we use it for the payment of maintenance for my daughter, the problem is that i can no longer access it because they won't send me a card for it, because they can't cope with the fact that the two parties who share the account live in different places. in actual fact, my ex no longer lives at the address on the account but I'm not allowed to change it because of data protection. Obviously I need to be protected against myself don't it?
wolves_wanderer said:Like
If you're annoyed now then don't read this story Rob.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic
Of course, the fact that it isn't law has never stopped Blair taking parliament for granted has it?
[quote=The Article]
Last week, Tony Blair told the BBC he thought the government had "won the argument".
you have Tony. You thought the poll tax was bad, wait till you try and enforce this you .
BliarOut said:
luckily for you Rob, not even terrorists will want to steal your indentity. the idea is to look remotely plausible.
i see no reason why not: i cant imagine anything bad could come from having a photo i.d. where youre dressed like gary glitter. might wanna cancel that holiday to bangcok tho.
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