What has happened to this country to cause this?
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Has anybody got any suggestion as to what singlemost thing has caused the degeneration of 'Great' Britain, enough to cause the mindless destruction posted below. Immigration? Drugs? Lack of parenting skills? You only have to read the papers to see the mindless 'uselessness' of much of todays youth.
http://archive.thisisgwent.co.uk/2006
(Cross posted on Jaguar forum)
VANDALS caused hundreds of thousands of pounds' worth of damage to a collection of classic cars after driving them into one another and into fences during a wrecking spree.
Thirty-four Jaguars, some worth more than £150,000, were smashed up after the vandals broke into a storage unit over the weekend.
James Hull owns the Jaguars, some of which are extremely rare, and has built up the collection since 1979.
He said: "I'm still shocked. The devastation is unbelievable.
"Thirty-odd years of my life was destroyed in two hours."
The cars were stored in a secure unit in Corporation Road, Newport. The vandals forced open the shutters and broke into the building.
Mr Hull, 45, a dentist at the Coach House practice in Bassaleg, said he has always had a passion for Jaguars.
He owns a collection of 60 cars, the oldest dating from 1934.
He says it is the most important private Jaguar collection in Europe. Six of the damaged vehicles were going to be used in the Queen's birthday celebrations this year.
"Some of the cars are irreplaceable," Mr Hull said. "It's about the history behind them."
A mechanic who looks after the cars discovered the damage yesterday morning. The full cost of the damage is still being assessed.
Police are appealing for witnesses to the incident. Forensic checks are being carried out on the vehicles in a bid to catch the vandals.
DC Jon Skillett said: "It's mindless vandalism. They rallied around, smashing the cars into each other.
"They've had a whale of a time causing damage."
Prior to the incident Mr Hull had been in talks with other collectors about opening a motoring history museum in Newport, but he said the plans are no longer viable.
Anyone with information is asked to call DC Skillett at Gwent Police on 01633 838111.
http://archive.thisisgwent.co.uk/2006
(Cross posted on Jaguar forum)
VANDALS caused hundreds of thousands of pounds' worth of damage to a collection of classic cars after driving them into one another and into fences during a wrecking spree.
Thirty-four Jaguars, some worth more than £150,000, were smashed up after the vandals broke into a storage unit over the weekend.
James Hull owns the Jaguars, some of which are extremely rare, and has built up the collection since 1979.
He said: "I'm still shocked. The devastation is unbelievable.
"Thirty-odd years of my life was destroyed in two hours."
The cars were stored in a secure unit in Corporation Road, Newport. The vandals forced open the shutters and broke into the building.
Mr Hull, 45, a dentist at the Coach House practice in Bassaleg, said he has always had a passion for Jaguars.
He owns a collection of 60 cars, the oldest dating from 1934.
He says it is the most important private Jaguar collection in Europe. Six of the damaged vehicles were going to be used in the Queen's birthday celebrations this year.
"Some of the cars are irreplaceable," Mr Hull said. "It's about the history behind them."
A mechanic who looks after the cars discovered the damage yesterday morning. The full cost of the damage is still being assessed.
Police are appealing for witnesses to the incident. Forensic checks are being carried out on the vehicles in a bid to catch the vandals.
DC Jon Skillett said: "It's mindless vandalism. They rallied around, smashing the cars into each other.
"They've had a whale of a time causing damage."
Prior to the incident Mr Hull had been in talks with other collectors about opening a motoring history museum in Newport, but he said the plans are no longer viable.
Anyone with information is asked to call DC Skillett at Gwent Police on 01633 838111.
I can understand nicking stuff - but why the hell would you want to smash up a load of cars? Surely this is worth at least 100 hours of Community Service, after all you have to send a strong message don't you.
If it was up to me, anyone who vandalised anything would have to pay the full costs for repairs. If it is some dolescum then we should set up some sweatshops and have them working there to pay off their debts.
If it was up to me, anyone who vandalised anything would have to pay the full costs for repairs. If it is some dolescum then we should set up some sweatshops and have them working there to pay off their debts.
In the case of Newport ( and I suppose much of the UK )
Economic collapse first, which the odds are will have rendered their parents unemployed, following on the heels of that boredom amongst adults leading to a drugs and alcohol abuse culture, then I suppose witnessing the fantastically paid ( by local standards ) 'jobs for the boyos' in local government (which believe me are much more socially exclusive than getting into a private company without the right background ever was), has created a culture of envy and division.
Dropping £££ from the European Commission into the area has no impact because most of it never trickles down, it's just hived off by the same small clique who buy a nice big house in Usk, and a villa in Spain, drive a Mercedes and are card carrying labour party members.
A society in which the adults lost there jobs, and so there self respect, which in turn led to poor parenting, which in turn has led to a collapse of behavior.
Economic collapse first, which the odds are will have rendered their parents unemployed, following on the heels of that boredom amongst adults leading to a drugs and alcohol abuse culture, then I suppose witnessing the fantastically paid ( by local standards ) 'jobs for the boyos' in local government (which believe me are much more socially exclusive than getting into a private company without the right background ever was), has created a culture of envy and division.
Dropping £££ from the European Commission into the area has no impact because most of it never trickles down, it's just hived off by the same small clique who buy a nice big house in Usk, and a villa in Spain, drive a Mercedes and are card carrying labour party members.
A society in which the adults lost there jobs, and so there self respect, which in turn led to poor parenting, which in turn has led to a collapse of behavior.
its because kids are not allowed to be disaplined. you cant so much as look at them without some lefty accusing you of abuse. They have never been held resposible for their own actions, they've never had any kind of disapline instilled on them and therefore can show no self disapline. probably due to a lack of a father figure when growing up. they're allowed to do what they like when they're young cos mummy's to busy entertaining her new boyfriend.
morrisman said:
"They've had a whale of a time causing damage."
That is incredibly sad and shocking. In Basingstoke we had a load of vandals break into the model engineering club building last year. They smashed up people's model trains and buildings etc and then left. My Dad isn't a member, but he spends years making models like that in the garage. I simply couldn't imagine why anyone would do that, and this time I can't imagine what would be going through anyone's head to enjoy smashing up a private collection of cars?!
If caught they should be forced to work on the cars until they are completely restored. No bleating about rights, just an explanation that their OWN actions caused their punishment and noone else is to blame. If by some miracle this helps some of them lift themselves above the dregs and learn some responsibility then so much the better.
What happened? The triumph of the left.
The welfare state was created which encouraged the dregs of society to breed. Meanwhile respect for authority was deliberatly destroyed throughout society, whether it be respect for your parents, teachers or the police.
The Conservatives may have won the economic argument, but the left has succeeded in imposing their vision on society. Unfortunately for us their way leads not to Utopia but to chaos.
The welfare state was created which encouraged the dregs of society to breed. Meanwhile respect for authority was deliberatly destroyed throughout society, whether it be respect for your parents, teachers or the police.
The Conservatives may have won the economic argument, but the left has succeeded in imposing their vision on society. Unfortunately for us their way leads not to Utopia but to chaos.
of course, with a collection like that, he should have had proper security. Night safe for the keys, cameras, ram raid bollards, that sort of thing. I'm surprised his insurance company didn't insist on it, mine did. The kids need their heads kicking in but, it couldn't have been to difficult to get in and get the keys.
What has happened to this country to cause this?
Apathy (Lenient Sentencing, justice is a commodity that comes at a price)
Loss of identity (Immigration and a pervasive state)
Greed (Big Business, Privatisation, City of London)
Political Elitists with a new threshold of achievement other than serving their country (European super state at any price)
Nuclear Families (watch an episode of Shameless, it's really funny is that...)
Lack of respect (Nothing to respect apart from Wayne Rooney's bling wheels, and the Beckhams 'achievements’')
Rapacious Crime Industry that has replaced the Joseph Rowntree, George Cadbury's and Titus Salt's of our world, as the new social benefactor with a new kind of ideology.
I could go on, but someone's bound to get upstet...
Apathy (Lenient Sentencing, justice is a commodity that comes at a price)
Loss of identity (Immigration and a pervasive state)
Greed (Big Business, Privatisation, City of London)
Political Elitists with a new threshold of achievement other than serving their country (European super state at any price)
Nuclear Families (watch an episode of Shameless, it's really funny is that...)
Lack of respect (Nothing to respect apart from Wayne Rooney's bling wheels, and the Beckhams 'achievements’')
Rapacious Crime Industry that has replaced the Joseph Rowntree, George Cadbury's and Titus Salt's of our world, as the new social benefactor with a new kind of ideology.
I could go on, but someone's bound to get upstet...
morrisman said:
This could have happened at any point in our history.
Bad? Yes
Something new? No.
The question was not aimed directly at the Jag incident, but more the yob mentality that we can read about in the news every day. You're surely not saying the UK was always like this?
I suspect that there has always been an element like this throughout history. Have you read any of Allan Sillitoes books? In particualar, Saturday Night and Sunday Morning, it charts a year in the life of a working class bloke in nottingham. The book deals with his drunken loutish behaviour, the fights, the theft etc that has always been a part of this country and always will be.
Ben
galileo said:
of course, with a collection like that, he should have had proper security. Night safe for the keys, cameras, ram raid bollards, that sort of thing. I'm surprised his insurance company didn't insist on it, mine did. The kids need their heads kicking in but, it couldn't have been to difficult to get in and get the keys.
My greatest sympathies but, yes - you do have a point. I only have two cars, but both are locked and immobilized in alarmed garages, and the keys hidden somewhere else... Maybe they hotwired the cars though?
police state said:I agree. DO go on, "someone" might learn something
What has happened to this country to cause this?
Apathy (Lenient Sentencing, justice is a commodity that comes at a price)
Loss of identity (Immigration and a pervasive state)
Greed (Big Business, Privatisation, City of London)
Political Elitists with a new threshold of achievement other than serving their country (European super state at any price)
Nuclear Families (watch an episode of Shameless, it's really funny is that...)
Lack of respect (Nothing to respect apart from Wayne Rooney's bling wheels, and the Beckhams 'achievements’')
Rapacious Crime Industry that has replaced the Joseph Rowntree, George Cadbury's and Titus Salt's of our world, as the new social benefactor with a new kind of ideology.
I could go on, but someone's bound to get upstet...
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