3G ..any good?
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peterpeter

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6,438 posts

288 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Looking at an upgrade for my phone..

noticed some have this 3G broadband thing..

Is it worth making sure my upgrade is 3g compatible, or is it poo?

Is the internet access horrendously expensive like that gprs crap. ?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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You still pay by the megabyte, its just quicker...

paulie-mafia

3,321 posts

254 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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If you just want to make calls and send texts then it's pointless.

jacobyte

4,768 posts

273 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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A phone is for talking to people. 3g is for transferring data.

I use a 3G card in mylaptop for when there is no Wifi around, and it works very well indeed. I use a phone for talking to people.

When decent smartphones are evolved, then I may consider getting one, but by then it'll be 5G.

humpbackmaniac

1,899 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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I have an o2 XDA2s and in all honesty, use a phone as a phone. This PDA is a load of Bolax, if you need to know something call someone. I wish i had a normal phone but lumbered with this thing until September. If you must have the technology wait until November for 4G.

scared but happy

24,147 posts

260 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Video thingy does not work out in the sticks It then reverts back to a normal phone.

Mr E

23,102 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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jacobyte said:
A phone is for talking to people. 3g is for transferring data.


The UMTS (3G) also carries the voice part as well. Should be higher quality, although it's often dependant on the MSC.

HSDPA is almost rolled out. Gives approx 600K-1.2Mb/sec on current handsets. 11Mb/Sec is the current maximum rate, although I've never seen more than 7Mb/Sec in the lab. We've been able to do it in the lab for a couple of years, but the handsets weren't available.

Out of UMTS coverage, the phone will attach to the existing GSM network, so you'll see no improvement speedwise at all.

Depends what you want to do with the phone of course (just make voice calls, video calling, use it as a high speed modem for your laptop/pda, etc etc.)

Mr E

23,102 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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humpbackmaniac said:
If you must have the technology wait until November for 4G.


What 4G?

The specs aren't even written yet.

ehyouwhat

4,606 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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I use a 3G model as my main daily phone as I tend to use a lot of the associated features: footy videos, music videos, news, weather, etc. I have no issues with call quality or indeed network reception, and this is on the '3' network.

I used to be on '3' a few years ago when the network first started and, believe me, they sucked big horse-sausage.

A big problem with 3G is that the phones are usually less than desirable, and are only just starting to become normal-sized. There are some excellent 3G phones in the pipeline for the next half-year or so, which is always good.

'3' as a network used to be excellent for the tariffs they offered, normally giving double the amounts of inclusive minutes and texts as the 2/2.5G standard networks for the same price. These networks have got themselves back in the game however, and this is now less of a decisive factor in choosing 3G.

If I were an ordinary customer wanting a small, simple-to-use phone, who would be using an average amount of minutes and texts, then I would still probably leave 3G models alone for the immediate time-being.

ehyouwhat

4,606 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Mr E said:
humpbackmaniac said:
If you must have the technology wait until November for 4G.


What 4G?

The specs aren't even written yet.


Agreed. We are absolutely nowhere near an active, realistic, practical '4G' yet.

Corpulent Tosser

5,468 posts

276 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Why does the display on my phone sometimes show 2.5G and at other times 3G

Mr E

23,102 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Corpulent Tosser said:
Why does the display on my phone sometimes show 2.5G and at other times 3G



That'll be the network you're attached to.

UMTS (CDMA) = 3G
GSM (TDMA) + GPRS/EDGE = 2.5G (marketing spin, it's bloody 2G with a couple of tricks)
GSM (TDMA) = 2G

Corpulent Tosser

5,468 posts

276 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Mr E said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Why does the display on my phone sometimes show 2.5G and at other times 3G



That'll be the network you're attached to.

UMTS (CDMA) = 3G
GSM (TDMA) + GPRS/EDGE = 2.5G (marketing spin, it's bloody 2G with a couple of tricks)
GSM (TDMA) = 2G


OK that clears it up then.

ehyouwhat

4,606 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Corpulent Tosser said:
Mr E said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Why does the display on my phone sometimes show 2.5G and at other times 3G



That'll be the network you're attached to.

UMTS (CDMA) = 3G
GSM (TDMA) + GPRS/EDGE = 2.5G (marketing spin, it's bloody 2G with a couple of tricks)
GSM (TDMA) = 2G


OK that clears it up then.




Basically when your phone cannot connect to a 3G signal it 'roams' onto a 2G signal (2.5G). You shouldn't notice the switchover if ever this occurs (normally when you're driving/moving) and so it makes very little difference. Some of the key features of 3G access are, obviously, not available when you have only got 2G coverage - such features normally include video-calling, video downloads, etc. If you don't use this kind of stuff then it shouldn't make any difference.

Mr E

23,102 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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ehyouwhat said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Mr E said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Why does the display on my phone sometimes show 2.5G and at other times 3G



That'll be the network you're attached to.

UMTS (CDMA) = 3G
GSM (TDMA) + GPRS/EDGE = 2.5G (marketing spin, it's bloody 2G with a couple of tricks)
GSM (TDMA) = 2G


OK that clears it up then.




Basically when your phone cannot connect to a 3G signal it 'roams' onto a 2G signal (2.5G). You shouldn't notice the switchover if ever this occurs (normally when you're driving/moving) and so it makes very little difference. Some of the key features of 3G access are, obviously, not available when you have only got 2G coverage - such features normally include video-calling, video downloads, etc. If you don't use this kind of stuff then it shouldn't make any difference.


And your data connection speeds will drop vastly.

Corpulent Tosser

5,468 posts

276 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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OK, I understand, sort of, clever of the phone to know though isn't it ?

ehyouwhat

4,606 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Mr E said:
And your data connection speeds will drop vastly.


if you find yourself using that kind of thing, then that is another consideration.

ehyouwhat

4,606 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Corpulent Tosser said:
OK, I understand, sort of, clever of the phone to know though isn't it ?


It would be cleverererer if the system was flawless. It sometimes isn't.

Mr E

23,102 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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ehyouwhat said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
OK, I understand, sort of, clever of the phone to know though isn't it ?


It would be cleverererer if the system was flawless. It sometimes isn't.


Tell me about it. I'd love to tell you what I'm debugging right now, but I'm contractually obliged not to.

everitj

262 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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I can't seem to get very high speeds even tho I have g3 (N70 on O2) Do i need to set up the connection differently to get the higher speeds. Video calling works. Also is there a speed test site for mobiles??