When will the housing cycle start again?
When will the housing cycle start again?
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thebullettrain

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1,069 posts

269 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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“Hedge your bets here” when will house prices start rising again. I remember reading a FT article many years ago (before mega property rises) that the average house price around 2045 will be around £450k.

Clearly it is all a cycle, but when you do guys think prices will start picking up? For what it’s worth, I’m being trying to sell my property (in a good location in London) to no avail. So I have decided to put it out on rent.

OllieC

3,816 posts

244 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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4 years time

chris_w666

22,655 posts

229 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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There was a pretty graph in a house price thread on here that seemed to show a fairly constant cycle, probably worth a search.

Timmy35

13,014 posts

228 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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OllieC said:
4 years time
Yeah I'd go with that. 2012 seems about right going by 1991 to 1996 as the length of the last trough.

richyb

4,615 posts

240 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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Going to be a few years yet. We've barely started in my opinion.

kambites

71,578 posts

251 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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Yeah, something like four years sounds right, although it obviously depends on the rest of the economy to some extent.

Swilly

9,699 posts

304 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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General election in 2 years time.

Labour out, Conservatives in, big change in cirumstance !!

Job done !!

Markets rise !!

2 years !!

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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thebullettrain said:
“Hedge your bets here” when will house prices start rising again. I remember reading a FT article many years ago (before mega property rises) that the average house price around 2045 will be around £450k.

Clearly it is all a cycle, but when you do guys think prices will start picking up? For what it’s worth, I’m being trying to sell my property (in a good location in London) to no avail. So I have decided to put it out on rent.
To get back to the current level in undjusted terms, around ten years, ajusted for inflation, maybe 20.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/m...

ACEparts_com

3,724 posts

271 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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Stop falling in about 4 years and the don't expect any huge increases. They're gonna drop like stones until the average man can afford the average house - so about 40-60% is required.

The boom has been caused by the banks adn cheap credit and the removal of these from the game will rapidly bring on the price downfall.

It's gonna be SO MUCH worse than the 90's but afterwards young families will be able to purchase a family home and so on. The UK might turn in to a place worth living in again.


WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

237 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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Some might suggest asking Fred Harrison.


SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

288 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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ACEparts_com said:
Stop falling in about 4 years and the don't expect any huge increases. They're gonna drop like stones until the average man can afford the average house - so about 40-60% is required.

The boom has been caused by the banks adn cheap credit and the removal of these from the game will rapidly bring on the price downfall.

It's gonna be SO MUCH worse than the 90's but afterwards young families will be able to purchase a family home and so on. The UK might turn in to a place worth living in again.
Thats what the way I'm hoping its going to go. Hopefully the Tories can kick the filth out of England and get some pride back in being English.

I say this from my sunlounger in Australia....

RichardD

3,608 posts

275 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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ACEparts_com said:
Stop falling in about 4 years and the don't expect any huge increases. They're gonna drop like stones until the average man can afford the average house - so about 40-60% is required.
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That is if the average man actually has anything left after he's filled his car up, purchased food and gas/electric!

Trommel

20,648 posts

289 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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ACEparts_com said:
They're gonna drop like stones until the average man can afford the average house - so about 40-60% is required.
scratchchin

audidoody

8,598 posts

286 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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Banks and Building Societies HAVE to lend.

They can't pay you and I interest on our savings without charging higher interest to borrowers. Lending is the life blood to profits which generate dividends for their shareholders to prop up the share price. Once the current credit crunch caution and hysteria ends by the end of the year lenders will be back to their old tricks. One will break ranks and the rest will follow to maintain market share.

The pent-up demand for mortgages will release a flood of new buyers onto the market. Shortages of property from those holding back will see prices nudge back up next year (In My Humble Opinion)

Boom-Bust-Boom-Bust.

It's what drives an economy driven by financial services rather than heavy manufacturing

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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WhoseGeneration said:
Some might suggest asking Fred Harrison.
http://www.moneyweek.com/file/3075/housing-boom.html

Why - he said falls would start in 2008, but they started falling in the U.S. in 06 and UK in 07?

robbieduncan

1,993 posts

266 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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SkinnyBoy said:
Thats what the way I'm hoping its going to go. Hopefully the Tories can kick the filth out of England and get some pride back in being English.

I say this from my sunlounger in Australia....
What about us non-English Brits (the Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh for a start)? Are we welcome in your vision of England? Stay in Australia please.

Timmy35

13,014 posts

228 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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audidoody said:
Banks and Building Societies HAVE to lend.

They can't pay you and I interest on our savings without charging higher interest to borrowers. Lending is the life blood to profits which generate dividends for their shareholders to prop up the share price. Once the current credit crunch caution and hysteria ends by the end of the year lenders will be back to their old tricks. One will break ranks and the rest will follow to maintain market share.

The pent-up demand for mortgages will release a flood of new buyers onto the market. Shortages of property from those holding back will see prices nudge back up next year (In My Humble Opinion)
I think you're in for quite a disappointment.

richyb

4,615 posts

240 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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audidoody said:
Banks and Building Societies HAVE to lend.

They can't pay you and I interest on our savings without charging higher interest to borrowers. Lending is the life blood to profits which generate dividends for their shareholders to prop up the share price. Once the current credit crunch caution and hysteria ends by the end of the year lenders will be back to their old tricks. One will break ranks and the rest will follow to maintain market share.

The pent-up demand for mortgages will release a flood of new buyers onto the market. Shortages of property from those holding back will see prices nudge back up next year (In My Humble Opinion)

Boom-Bust-Boom-Bust.

It's what drives an economy driven by financial services rather than heavy manufacturing
They still make a significant revenue from their curent mortgages that are outstanding so new lending is not as essential as you say. I think banks will be focusing on stability rather than trying to gain market share by tempting new customers in.

Maxf

8,444 posts

271 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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ACEparts_com said:
Stop falling in about 4 years and the don't expect any huge increases. They're gonna drop like stones until the average man can afford the average house - so about 40-60% is required.
This is assuming that the 'average man' didnt buy 10 years ago and doesnt already have a decent chunk of equity behind him (not spent on TVs, 3-series BMWs and holidays).


audidoody

8,598 posts

286 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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Timmy35 said:
audidoody said:
Banks and Building Societies HAVE to lend.

They can't pay you and I interest on our savings without charging higher interest to borrowers. Lending is the life blood to profits which generate dividends for their shareholders to prop up the share price. Once the current credit crunch caution and hysteria ends by the end of the year lenders will be back to their old tricks. One will break ranks and the rest will follow to maintain market share.

The pent-up demand for mortgages will release a flood of new buyers onto the market. Shortages of property from those holding back will see prices nudge back up next year (In My Humble Opinion)
I think you're in for quite a disappointment.
Not really ... I don't intend to sell my house!


Edited to say: Lenders can't afford for house prices to drop dramatically. Their balance sheets are built on the capital value of their secured assets. If house prices drop 40 per cent , half of them will be technically insolvent.

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 8th July 11:42