political correctness?
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depends how far you mean, calling someone something who can't help their birth is wrong no matter who is in power.
Let me expand, when a child who doesn't know any better says something when they have no idea it may be offensive, then that may not be a reason to go mad.
When however an ignorant f
k like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down.
Loads of respect to you in the past but jesus man I never thought you'd post this topic.
Let me expand, when a child who doesn't know any better says something when they have no idea it may be offensive, then that may not be a reason to go mad.
When however an ignorant f
k like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down. Loads of respect to you in the past but jesus man I never thought you'd post this topic.
Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 2nd August 03:23
Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 2nd August 03:26
Sheets Tabuer said:
When however am ignorant fk like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down.
Bloody hell, bit touchy aren't we?k like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down. Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 2nd August 03:15
I agree that certain prejudices have no place anywhere in the world. But some of the pc crap we have to put up with these days is beyond a joke. Maybe its some of this more modern stuff that the OP was referring to? I'll use the recent example of the complaint ITV had about Martin Brundle using the term 'pikey' which was well doucumented on PH. What a load of s
t that was. frankhovis said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
When however am ignorant fk like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down.
Bloody hell, bit touchy aren't we?k like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down. Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 2nd August 03:15
I agree that certain prejudices have no place anywhere in the world. But some of the pc crap we have to put up with these days is beyond a joke. Maybe its some of this more modern stuff that the OP was referring to? I'll use the recent example of the complaint ITV had about Martin Brundle using the term 'pikey' which was well doucumented on PH. What a load of s
t that was. I'll go and take a chill pill.
Bing o said:
So you can't call someone a paki, but you can call them a pikey?
Double standards, no?
Surely calling someone a p@ki is racism?Double standards, no?
I didn't realise pikey's were a race. As far as I'm concerned, they are just a bunch of dirty, thieving, tax dodging, low-life scum. Some of them are currently 'camped' between two of our factory buildings. It's a regular occurrence and they cause a lot of grief, noise, mess, etc etc. I haven't yet come across a group of 'travellers' that were decent and I see more than my fair share.
Anyway, the term pikey was just an example i was trying to make, regardless of my feelings towards them. There are plenty of other instances of modern day pc b
ks that must drive most of us mad from time to time.Sheets Tabuer said:
When however an ignorant fk like you has a few beers and thinks they will display their prejudice then rightly they should be slapped down.
Loads of respect to you in the past but jesus man I never thought you'd post this topic.
Loads of respect to you in the past but jesus man I never thought you'd post this topic.
C'mon then, spill the dirt, what has Westy done to upset you, as obviously this is not the sensible reply to a normal balanced question, but the ramblings of a woman scorned!
Edited by King Herald on Saturday 2nd August 06:16
I do not understand why people get so vexed about political correctness.
Why would this country be better off if you could go around being offensive to minorities?
I know someone who believes that 99% of crime is committed by black people. He says that you cannot express this opinion because it is politically incorrect, whereas what he is saying is simply incorrect.
Why would this country be better off if you could go around being offensive to minorities?
I know someone who believes that 99% of crime is committed by black people. He says that you cannot express this opinion because it is politically incorrect, whereas what he is saying is simply incorrect.
Baby Huey said:
I do not understand why people get so vexed about political correctness.
Why would this country be better off if you could go around being offensive to minorities?
So you think it's a good idea to avoid Christmas or renaming baa-baa black sheep...?Why would this country be better off if you could go around being offensive to minorities?
There's a wide difference between being PC and avoiding racism...
It is the meaning of a word rather than the word itself which matters.
For example, one term which used to be used for Greeks in the US was 'arse F**kers'. Pretty rude? It came, I understand, from the ancient Greek acceptance of gay relationships. On the face of it a pretty horrid expression but it was rarely taken as such because it was historical and didn't have that much meaning because nobody was actually suggesting that all Greek people indugled in 'a bit of greek'. Words like 'Paki' are now often used in a derogatory and inaccurate fashion (as most people who have this term used towards them are of Indian families) and have come to MEAN some kind of mass brown face with certain stereotypes attached.
Not sure about Pikey.
This may be 'political correctness' but I find life goes much easier if I don't use words which I know have certain meanings and offend. I do use those words ignorantly until told otherwise, and once the MEANING has been explained I might stop using it. I like to be the judge of that. For example, I still use the term 'nitty gritty' despite having been told it is politically incorrect (I was told it was a term used on slave ships to describe the worst slaves left in the bottom of the ship at disembarkation) because I don't think people know the meaning and because when I checked it out it was utter boll*cks. Nice middle class white people make terms politically incorrect on behalf of minority groups without asking if the MEANING offends. I think we are bright enough to ask questions and then make up our own minds. Or perhaps not.
For example, one term which used to be used for Greeks in the US was 'arse F**kers'. Pretty rude? It came, I understand, from the ancient Greek acceptance of gay relationships. On the face of it a pretty horrid expression but it was rarely taken as such because it was historical and didn't have that much meaning because nobody was actually suggesting that all Greek people indugled in 'a bit of greek'. Words like 'Paki' are now often used in a derogatory and inaccurate fashion (as most people who have this term used towards them are of Indian families) and have come to MEAN some kind of mass brown face with certain stereotypes attached.
Not sure about Pikey.
This may be 'political correctness' but I find life goes much easier if I don't use words which I know have certain meanings and offend. I do use those words ignorantly until told otherwise, and once the MEANING has been explained I might stop using it. I like to be the judge of that. For example, I still use the term 'nitty gritty' despite having been told it is politically incorrect (I was told it was a term used on slave ships to describe the worst slaves left in the bottom of the ship at disembarkation) because I don't think people know the meaning and because when I checked it out it was utter boll*cks. Nice middle class white people make terms politically incorrect on behalf of minority groups without asking if the MEANING offends. I think we are bright enough to ask questions and then make up our own minds. Or perhaps not.
Edited by Brown and Boris on Saturday 2nd August 09:12
"Correct" is an absolute.
If something is correct then it's correct.
When you put "Politically" in front of it you're actually trying to modify an absolute.
So if someone says or does something wrong it's just "Incorrect". if you NEED the "Politically" in front of your statement to accuse someone of incorrectness then my guess is you have a weak arguement.
If something is correct then it's correct.
When you put "Politically" in front of it you're actually trying to modify an absolute.
So if someone says or does something wrong it's just "Incorrect". if you NEED the "Politically" in front of your statement to accuse someone of incorrectness then my guess is you have a weak arguement.
Puggit said:
Baby Huey said:
I do not understand why people get so vexed about political correctness.
Why would this country be better off if you could go around being offensive to minorities?
So you think it's a good idea to avoid Christmas or renaming baa-baa black sheep...?Why would this country be better off if you could go around being offensive to minorities?
There's a wide difference between being PC and avoiding racism...
In my experience about 90% of these political correctness gawn mad stories have either been spun out to make something out of nothing, or the PC part has simply been made up.
Baby Huey said:
I don't remember Christmas being banned and I think the story about Baa Baa black sheep is probably a myth.
To take your first point about Christmas, the University I work at didn't have a Christmas tree last year as that might offend (note, 'might offend'). Oh no, they spunked a shed load of cash on a blooming great 'Celebration Tree'With regards to Baa Baa Black Sheep, a quick Google will reveal many and distinct stories of nursery schools teaching such alternative lyrics as 'Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep'. I believe one of the worst tyres of racist are those who take offence on other behalf, especially if they think someone 'might' be upset with something.
There is a large difference between ludicrous PC rules and racism, I'd even go as far as to suggest they are completely separate things.
Political correctness is often identified in social and academic commentary as cultural marxism. There are lots of articles on the net relating to this - a snipped example below:
One of dozens of articles on political correctness said:
The cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc. have power over other groups. Nothing else matters.
Just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil, in the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be "victims," and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.
How even this level of thought control freakery can lead to Wayne Rooney playing for Personchester United or primary school children singing Baa Bas Rainbow Sheep beats me. Just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil, in the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be "victims," and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 2nd August 10:34
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