FFS. why am I not at all surprised...?
FFS. why am I not at all surprised...?
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Tony*T3

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20,911 posts

278 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Tragic waste of life.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/...


Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.


Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?


Animals, they should be put down.

dan1981

18,128 posts

230 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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6 of 1 half a dozen of the other it sounds like to me.

Wonder how "Chin was left with a cut on his shoulder" after scuffling with the dead one already?

but......... Kevron???!!!!

Swilly

9,699 posts

305 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Whilst the results are totally out of proportion to the causes, i'd say from reading that report that they are the makers of their own misfortune.

That kid is dead because in part of his own actions, and that Chin is doing time as a murderer for his actions too !!

ASBO

26,140 posts

245 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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BBC in PC fear shocker.

As above, should the tables have been turned, it would have made international news.


N1CK

5,588 posts

252 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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IMO they havent got everything they deserve, regardless of the victims actions, it should not have resulted in his murder.

the little scrotes should be subjected to their own actions, maybe that would make other offenders think twice..

mel

10,168 posts

306 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Isn't it easy to slant a story simply by using photographs of a "victim" in his school uniform the picture of inocence and the "attackers" straight off of Crimewatch, all they're missing is the height scale behind them and holding their prison numbers.

E31Shrew

5,965 posts

223 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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12 years eh? That'll show 'em! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Fume troll

4,389 posts

243 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.


Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?


Animals, they should be put down.
Not sure what point you're making. Stab someone to death = go to jail.... What am I missing?

Cheers,

FT.

petermansell

868 posts

237 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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N1CK said:
IMO they havent got everything they deserve, regardless of the victims actions, it should not have resulted in his murder.

the little scrotes should be subjected to their own actions, maybe that would make other offenders think twice..
yes

Tom74

658 posts

261 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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But due to the impartiality of the BBC the dead child's picture is all smart and smiley, the two convicted youths are their mugshots.

From the article it sounds as if they were both as bad as each other, with provocation and previous wounding, but the article still has a spin angle to it.
Good old BBC...

Tony*T3

Original Poster:

20,911 posts

278 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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mel said:
Isn't it easy to slant a story simply by using photographs of a "victim" in his school uniform the picture of inocence and the "attackers" straight off of Crimewatch, all they're missing is the height scale behind them and holding their prison numbers.
Dead boy was 14. Muderers were 16 and 17.


Dead boy doesnt have a 'police photograph' because he was already lying dead on a morgue table when those pictures of his attackers were taken.


What is it you want exactly?


Tony*T3

Original Poster:

20,911 posts

278 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Fume troll said:
Tony*T3 said:
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.


Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?


Animals, they should be put down.
Not sure what point you're making. Stab someone to death = go to jail.... What am I missing?

Cheers,

FT.
My point is that if two white youths aged 16 & 17 had chased down a 14 year old black child and stabbed him 4 times in the back whilst he lay on the ground I'm pretty sure there would have been outrage at the racial aspects of the case.

dan1981

18,128 posts

230 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
mel said:
Isn't it easy to slant a story simply by using photographs of a "victim" in his school uniform the picture of inocence and the "attackers" straight off of Crimewatch, all they're missing is the height scale behind them and holding their prison numbers.
Dead boy was 14. Muderers were 16 and 17.


Dead boy doesnt have a 'police photograph' because he was already lying dead on a morgue table when those pictures of his attackers were taken.


What is it you want exactly?
I imagine people are looking for the full story.....

This guy who ended up dead was no innocent bystander.... he was in a "gang" of his friends who at the very least gave dirty looks to another "gang" of friends (personally i imagine this will have been a fair bit more than "dirty looks")

anyway second gang feel insulted so chases after first gang.

Gangs clash, dead boy is at the very least involved in a fight in which the killer is injured. Who can say how this injury was inflicted? Maybe dead boy was also weilding a knife??

Injured killer then go after first gang, dead boy is attacked and ends up dead.

Yes kids killing kids is bad. Its shocking. No he doesn't "deserve" to be dead. Yes killer does "deserve" to be in prison.

But I have very little difficulty in believing that dead boy is not quite as innocent as his school picture would suggest.

Edited by dan1981 on Friday 8th August 16:12

mel

10,168 posts

306 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Well tell me that your thought process was different to mine:

I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil bds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.

Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!wink

Tony*T3

Original Poster:

20,911 posts

278 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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mel said:
Well tell me that your thought process was different to mine:

I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil bds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.

Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!wink
Actually, what you read in the article was the story that was told by the defendants as their 'defence' for their actions. I'd suggest it was far from the real truth. Now research some of the other coverage and you'll find that at the time the boy was stabbed he wasnt with a gang but was actually on his own. this wasnt some kind of "west Side Story" gang rumble. He was tracked down and murdered.

For giving 'dirty looks'?

Come on. There are ways of dealing with 'dirty looks' from 14 year olds. They dont envolve murder.

gazza_3

6,442 posts

239 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Why did he go out an hour and a half after the first attack, me thinks he was looking for trouble.

mel

10,168 posts

306 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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If that's the case then I can see your point, but my comments were made purely on the link that you gave and from the information in it.

dan1981

18,128 posts

230 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
mel said:
Well tell me that your thought process was different to mine:

I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil bds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.

Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!wink
Actually, what you read in the article was the story that was told by the defendants as their 'defence' for their actions. I'd suggest it was far from the real truth. Now research some of the other coverage and you'll find that at the time the boy was stabbed he wasnt with a gang but was actually on his own. this wasnt some kind of "west Side Story" gang rumble. He was tracked down and murdered.

For giving 'dirty looks'?

Come on. There are ways of dealing with 'dirty looks' from 14 year olds. They dont envolve murder.
hmmm thats not what the link says

BBC said:
The groups clashed twice - first in a nearby park then an hour and a half later next to a housing estate.

In the second confrontation, Martin and another youth clashed with Chin, who was left with a cut on his shoulder.

Martin then fled, chased by members of the rival group.

He fell to the ground and was stabbed four times in the back by Chin.
so basically he was fighting, possibly cut someone and then ran off, he was chased for possibly inflicting this injury and was then stabbed. Yes he was on his own - he was running away from what he'd done!

okgo

42,360 posts

229 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Whats this now? How many of the murders so far have been between black gangs? I know last time I looked it was about 95% of the murders in london between different black people?

Anyone got any figures?

SpydieNut

5,959 posts

254 months

Friday 8th August 2008
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Fume troll said:
Tony*T3 said:
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.


Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?


Animals, they should be put down.
Not sure what point you're making. Stab someone to death = go to jail.... What am I missing?

Cheers,

FT.
bypass jail and go straight to lethal injection