Physics question - Forcefields - Possible?
Physics question - Forcefields - Possible?
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TheCarpetCleaner

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233 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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Curious question to the more scientifically minded PH's...

Forcefields, like Star Trek style things - energy walls.

Is it possible that something like this could actually exist, based on our present day knowledge of what is / could be possible, or is the concept impossible?

groucho

12,134 posts

277 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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Most women appear to have mastered it when I'm around. hehe

absolutely

3,168 posts

223 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

264 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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Science fact does seem to follow science fiction, eventually. But I don't think we have any decent candidates at present. Hell, we barely understand the 'fields' that we can measure.

notoriousnorbert

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222 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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OwenK

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226 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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notoriousnorbert said:
If you actually watch the video it's not a forcefield per se - it's a load of sensors that pick up incoming missiles and then shoot a thing at the missile to blow it up before it gets to the tank.

Still cool, but it's not Star Trek quite yet.


I suppose the main obstacle to sci fi style shield things is that in the movies they seem to be like a protective bubble or a shell - stopping stuff passing through its wall surface, but otherwise not affecting anything inside or outside of it. You could have a similar effect with modern technology I suppose with a really bloody strong magnet or something - however you wouldn't be able to have any people or technology inside of its area of effect without turning it to mush just like the bullets you're supposed to be stopping.

TheCarpetCleaner

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Sunday 10th August 2008
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absolutely said:
Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.
Yes thanks for that, I did say in my post above as in energy walls. I have not yet seen a magnet that has stopped me from passing by...

SS HSV

9,646 posts

289 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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notoriousnorbert said:
The dumbs US military decided in favour of a new Ratheon system which was designed in house but would take another 5 years of development, rather than using the Trophy system which is available now.

No doubt they copied it and that is why it is 5 years behind the Trophy system... wonder how many lives will be lost as a result of not using the system which is tried and tested to be 90% effective rolleyes

Blue Meanie

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286 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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TheCarpetCleaner said:
absolutely said:
Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.
Yes thanks for that, I did say in my post above as in energy walls. I have not yet seen a magnet that has stopped me from passing by...
Yes, but it would work a treat against the advancing steel armoured robotic hordes...

s2art

18,942 posts

284 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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TheCarpetCleaner said:
absolutely said:
Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.
Yes thanks for that, I did say in my post above as in energy walls. I have not yet seen a magnet that has stopped me from passing by...
A strong enough one could. They have levitated frogs using super strong magnetic fields.

TheCarpetCleaner

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Sunday 10th August 2008
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Blue Meanie said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
absolutely said:
Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.
Yes thanks for that, I did say in my post above as in energy walls. I have not yet seen a magnet that has stopped me from passing by...
Yes, but it would work a treat against the advancing steel armoured robotic hordes...
Very true :scratchin: ...

Pigeon

18,535 posts

277 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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TheCarpetCleaner said:
absolutely said:
Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.
Yes thanks for that, I did say in my post above as in energy walls. I have not yet seen a magnet that has stopped me from passing by...
That's because you're not an energetic subatomic particle that the Sun has shat out encountering the Earth's magnetic field...

driverrob

4,847 posts

234 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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I've lived too long to say such things are impossible but, as a Physicist, I'd have to agree with an earlier poster: we (i.e. even cutting-edge research scientists) are nowhere near fully understanding fields, especially gravity. We have no idea how pigeons use the Earth's magnetic field to navigate. There is no known force which repels uncharged body tissue or other non-metals.
We'll ignore the forces which act at the nuclear scale for a host of reasons.

It's good sci-fi, though.

s2art

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284 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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driverrob said:
I've lived too long to say such things are impossible but, as a Physicist, I'd have to agree with an earlier poster: we (i.e. even cutting-edge research scientists) are nowhere near fully understanding fields, especially gravity. We have no idea how pigeons use the Earth's magnetic field to navigate. There is no known force which repels uncharged body tissue or other non-metals.
We'll ignore the forces which act at the nuclear scale for a host of reasons.

It's good sci-fi, though.
Magnetic fields can repel uncharged body tissue. Flesh exhibits weak diamagnetism.

driverrob

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234 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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Oh yes, I forgot the frog levitation. I was thinking more in terms of the sci-fi version which has no effect except at a specific distance.

Pigeon

18,535 posts

277 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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driverrob said:
We have no idea how pigeons use the Earth's magnetic field to navigate.
We know.

69 coupe

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242 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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laughbiggrinbiggrin at Pigeon

interloper

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286 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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driverrob said:
Oh yes, I forgot the frog levitation. I was thinking more in terms of the sci-fi version which has no effect except at a specific distance.
We have the technology to levitate frogs? Wow, so there is no need for them to get squashed crossing the road anymore, that makes me feel so much better! Maybe in a few years this amazing feat will be scaled up so that larger amphibians can be levitated, like toads or large newts?

anonymous-user

85 months

Sunday 10th August 2008
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s2art said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
absolutely said:
Yes, magnets have a forcefield around them, simple science, pre-GSCE or Standard Grade.
Yes thanks for that, I did say in my post above as in energy walls. I have not yet seen a magnet that has stopped me from passing by...
A strong enough one could. They have levitated frogs using super strong magnetic fields.
frogs are paramagnetic and people are diamagnetic so that is why frogs levitate...

TheCarpetCleaner

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Sunday 10th August 2008
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Pigeon said:
driverrob said:
We have no idea how pigeons use the Earth's magnetic field to navigate.
We know.
Saves on satnav I guess scratchchin

So do you get turn by turn directions, or just the "urge" to return home? hehe