Discrimination = country of birth on driving license?
Discussion
Whilst I was reading the ID card thread my wifes new plastic license popped through the door, so why should a persons country of birth be printed on their driving license? What possible need is there for anybody who sees it to know where you were born? If you have to show the coppers they then think you are a foreigner, and treat you as such?
Parrot of Doom said:
How is this discriminatory?
Been caught speeding in France recently?English license = fine
Aussie license = sent on your way with a smile
It isn't discriminatory in itself, it is just a piece of paper, but the info allows others to discriminate should they choose to.
King Herald said:
Parrot of Doom said:
How is this discriminatory?
Not sure, just asking, as I thought people weren't allowed to tell other people where we come from, our skin colour, race, religion etc.kambites said:
King Herald said:
Parrot of Doom said:
How is this discriminatory?
Not sure, just asking, as I thought people weren't allowed to tell other people where we come from, our skin colour, race, religion etc.Road2Ruin said:
This is a bit like all of theose job applications that ask your gender, nationality and date of birth. Surely this is information that is not necessary at that stage and can only encourage discrimination.
This really pisses me off. I went for a job with a major charity and you just know that they use this to pick candidates to fit their ethnic diversity "model". Personally I don't think that CV's or job applications should include your name or place of birth. All they need to know is whether you are legally entitled to work in this country.I agree that this information is unnecessary if the policy against discrimination is true. What other use can it be?
For medical reasons hospitals often ask for nation of birth or ethnicity, but that's because some races have particular problems others don't and it encourages better targetted care.
My wife is Polish, but is now a naturalised Brit. She came over here before Poland joined the EU, and so decided to become British to overcome the hurdles of employment, gaining a bank account and/or mortgage. Obviously she wouldn't have these problems now - with Poland being in the EU, their citizens are afforded all the rights ours are. Anyway, back then she had to take a British driving test too, as the Polish licence was not recognised over here, so she remains the only person I know who has passed her driving test the first time - twice..!!
And yes, her British licence also includes her birth town/country. Could this simply be another form of confirming ID? I remain suspicous of our govt's intentions with regards to personal information.
For medical reasons hospitals often ask for nation of birth or ethnicity, but that's because some races have particular problems others don't and it encourages better targetted care.
My wife is Polish, but is now a naturalised Brit. She came over here before Poland joined the EU, and so decided to become British to overcome the hurdles of employment, gaining a bank account and/or mortgage. Obviously she wouldn't have these problems now - with Poland being in the EU, their citizens are afforded all the rights ours are. Anyway, back then she had to take a British driving test too, as the Polish licence was not recognised over here, so she remains the only person I know who has passed her driving test the first time - twice..!!
And yes, her British licence also includes her birth town/country. Could this simply be another form of confirming ID? I remain suspicous of our govt's intentions with regards to personal information.
Mars said:
I agree that this information is unnecessary if the policy against discrimination is true. What other use can it be?
For medical reasons hospitals often ask for nation of birth or ethnicity, but that's because some races have particular problems others don't and it encourages better targetted care.
My wife is Polish, but is now a naturalised Brit. .......so she remains the only person I know who has passed her driving test the first time - twice..!!
And yes, her British licence also includes her birth town/country. Could this simply be another form of confirming ID? I remain suspicous of our govt's intentions with regards to personal information.
My wife has passed her driving test twice too, once in the Philippines and once here in the UK. For medical reasons hospitals often ask for nation of birth or ethnicity, but that's because some races have particular problems others don't and it encourages better targetted care.
My wife is Polish, but is now a naturalised Brit. .......so she remains the only person I know who has passed her driving test the first time - twice..!!
And yes, her British licence also includes her birth town/country. Could this simply be another form of confirming ID? I remain suspicous of our govt's intentions with regards to personal information.
Like you say, if having your country of birth on the driving license is not an issue, of no relevance to anybody, for any reason, why is it there?
Davros79 said:
Road2Ruin said:
This is a bit like all of theose job applications that ask your gender, nationality and date of birth. Surely this is information that is not necessary at that stage and can only encourage discrimination.
This really pisses me off. I went for a job with a major charity and you just know that they use this to pick candidates to fit their ethnic diversity "model". Personally I don't think that CV's or job applications should include your name or place of birth. All they need to know is whether you are legally entitled to work in this country.Let them try to prove that.
Davros79 said:
Road2Ruin said:
This is a bit like all of theose job applications that ask your gender, nationality and date of birth. Surely this is information that is not necessary at that stage and can only encourage discrimination.
This really pisses me off. I went for a job with a major charity and you just know that they use this to pick candidates to fit their ethnic diversity "model". Personally I don't think that CV's or job applications should include your name or place of birth. All they need to know is whether you are legally entitled to work in this country.I went for a job interview, I currently work for myself and was going to work for someone else. The company I had already done jobs for. The guy who would of been my boss was less experienced, and less qualified than I was. The guy who got the job is very inexperienced, and quite frankly useless. I still do lots of work for them, as the guy they employed and his boss is useless. So it is just ridulous.
Davros79 said:
This really pisses me off. I went for a job with a major charity and you just know that they use this to pick candidates to fit their ethnic diversity "model". Personally I don't think that CV's or job applications should include your name or place of birth. All they need to know is whether you are legally entitled to work in this country.
Mars said:
she had to take a British driving test too, as the Polish licence was not recognised over here, so she remains the only person I know who has passed her driving test the first time - twice..!!
I failed my first UK test - after I had been legally driving here for a year on my US license!Pretty hard to justify making some licenses non-transferable considering you can get off the plane from Whereverthef
kistan, jump in a motor and drive it about for a year...jeff m said:
I'm with King H on this one, the less info they have the better.
Although, I'm wondering whether his wife actually passed the test two times.
My Phillipine Lic was 20 Pesos
No test.
20 pesos???? I was ripped off! My 'test' cost me 500 to pass about ten years ago. Although, I'm wondering whether his wife actually passed the test two times.
My Phillipine Lic was 20 Pesos
No test.
My wife did actually pass, for real. Oddly enough, part of the instruction my wife did involved driving a variety of vehicles, not just one standard car.
Unlike the UK, they teach them how to pass the test, but also how to actually drive in the Philippines. Tips such as overtaking on the hard shoulder of the motorway, how to force your way into traffic from a side street, how to jump to the front of a queue on the motorway pay station, how best to handle the crocodiles (cops) when they stop you for their beer money etc etc.
King Herald said:
jeff m said:
I'm with King H on this one, the less info they have the better.
Although, I'm wondering whether his wife actually passed the test two times.
My Phillipine Lic was 20 Pesos No test.
20 pesos???? I was ripped off! My 'test' cost me 500 to pass about ten years ago. Although, I'm wondering whether his wife actually passed the test two times.
My Phillipine Lic was 20 Pesos
No test.My wife did actually pass, for real. Oddly enough, part of the instruction my wife did involved driving a variety of vehicles, not just one standard car.
Unlike the UK, they teach them how to pass the test, but also how to actually drive in the Philippines. Tips such as overtaking on the hard shoulder of the motorway, how to force your way into traffic from a side street, how to jump to the front of a queue on the motorway pay station, how best to handle the crocodiles (cops) when they stop you for their beer money etc etc.
Him and the instructor chat while you go around a couple of corners. Half the test is putting your seatbelt on, pretty much.
Edited by collateral on Thursday 14th August 19:38
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