Scaffolding pipe.....question for PH engineers..............
Scaffolding pipe.....question for PH engineers..............
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Wacky Racer

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41,365 posts

277 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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OK,

I need to get a piece of 8 foot scaffolding pipe to secure an extremely heavy weight to.......

Now.... which would be stronger, and less liable to bend.......Solid steel, or hollow thick tubing like scaffolding pipe???...scratchchin

I asked an engineer who owned a sheet metalworks once, and he said the hollow pipe would be far stronger, and would not bend, something to do with molecular structure or somesuch............teacher

Any ideas??........

Pigeon

18,535 posts

276 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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For the same overall diameter the solid bar is stronger.

For the same overall weight the tube is stronger...

MoleVision

999 posts

241 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Depends on a few things... If you assume the outer diameter is the same then the solid rod will be stiffer.... but for the same material cross sectional area (where the solid rod will have a much smaller diameter than the pipe) the pipe will be much stiffer.


All to do with 2nd moment of area i think.. of which I've forgotten the equations ((pi)bd^4)/64 or something along those lines.

AdeTuono

7,626 posts

257 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.

GreenV8S

31,024 posts

314 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
OK,

I need to get a piece of 8 foot scaffolding pipe to secure an extremely heavy weight to.......

Now.... which would be stronger, and less liable to bend.......Solid steel, or hollow thick tubing like scaffolding pipe???...scratchchin
You seem to have decided on the scaffolding pipe already? How heavy is 'extremely', and how is it going to be supported by your bar/pipe? Unless the pipe is obviously massively over specced for the job, I suggest you need to go into this in a lot more detail than you are doing. The fact that you're even considering alternatives make me think it is NOT obviously over specced and it doesn't sound to me as if you are qualified to decide whether it will be safe.

Davi

17,153 posts

250 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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AdeTuono said:
What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.
exactly what I was about to say - scaffold poles on their own are not very strong. (I managed to bend a 6ft one with my puny frame resting on it) - it's the triangulation they structure them into that makes them strong.

Wacky Racer

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277 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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AdeTuono said:
What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.
A 24 foot motor home..........biggrin

ALawson

8,055 posts

281 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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A 8ft / 2.438 m tube if restrained correctly at the top and bottom to give an effective length equal to 2.43m will have a capacity of approximately 16.8 kN if in a "used" condition or 19.8kN if in a "New" condition.

Ref Table 14 BS 5973:1993 Capacities quoted for a 2.5m tube.

MoleVision

999 posts

241 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Well I think either directing you to Heavy duty Crane manufactureer or wishing you the best of luck is in order... suppose is you had enough scaffolding you could make your own crane.. kinda like a meccano set.

Pigeon

18,535 posts

276 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
AdeTuono said:
What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.
A 24 foot motor home..........biggrin
You're gonna dangle your motorhome off the end of a scaff bar? confused

Please for God's sake, let me move my car...

Taita

8,005 posts

233 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
AdeTuono said:
What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.
A 24 foot motor home..........biggrin
rofl Well done that man!

GreenV8S

31,024 posts

314 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
AdeTuono said:
What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.
A 24 foot motor home..........biggrin
Supported how?

Snoggledog

9,265 posts

247 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
AdeTuono said:
What is 'extremely' heavy? I wouldn't trust an 8' length of scaffold to hold much over 4-500lbs if only supported at either end.
A 24 foot motor home..........biggrin
Not a chance of an 8ft length of scaffolding holding that. Even if you use a solid bar you might be pushing it.

Swilly

9,699 posts

304 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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hehe WTF exactly is your aim here !?

Bungleaio

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232 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer

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Friday 22nd August 2008
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Let me elaborate......

I have just bought a new motorhome, and have rather a large drive, so as it is a flat area I have parked it half way across my large picture front window, which spoils our lovely view over the Pennine moors...cloud9

The alternative is park it slightly away from the house, on block paving in front of a detatched stone single garage, that I hardly use, the problem being this area ia ALMOST flat, but directly behind where the (very long) home would stand, the drive goes into a very steep 15 degree drop, and I am worried that even if I leave it in first gear, if the handbrake cable snapped it would career off down the drive and demolish the house opposite...yikes..biggrin

So, I figured, if I chocked all four wheels with concrete blocks, and fitted a couple of wheel clamps, AND wedged a piece of pipe across the floor of the garage wedged up against substantial stone door pillars on the inside of the garage, and secured the motorhome to this via a strong rope or chain it should alay my fears....


Hence the question....

Edited by Wacky Racer on Friday 22 August 13:57

Snoggledog

9,265 posts

247 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Couple of these attached to the wall



Couple of these fitted inside.



Some 8-5 tubing and Bobs you're uncle. Should just be able to hold some of the weight.

Davi

17,153 posts

250 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
Let me elaborate......

I have just bought a new motorhome, and have rather a large drive, so as it is a flat area I have parked it half way across my large picture front window, which spoils our lovely view over the Pennine moors...cloud9

The alternative is park it slightly away from the house, on block paving in front of a detatched stone single garage, that I hardly use, the problem being this area ia ALMOST flat, but directly behind where the (very long) home would stand, the drive goes into a very steep 15 degree drop, and I am worried that even if I leave it in first gear, if the handbrake cable snapped it would career off down the drive and demolish the house opposite...yikes..biggrin

So, I figured, if I chocked all four wheels with concrete blocks, and fitted a couple of wheel champs, AND wedged a piece of pipe across the floor of the garage wedged up against substantial stone door pillars on the inside of the garage, and secured the motorhome to this via a strong rope or chain it should alay my fears....


Hence the question....
If a couple of small pieces of wood will hold a large jet aircraft in place while they run engine tests, I have a sneaky suspicion that a couple of appropriately sized blocks will also hold your motorhome in situ should you the handbrake fail...

Swilly

9,699 posts

304 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Wacky Racer said:
Let me elaborate......

I have just bought a new motorhome, and have rather a large drive, so as it is a flat area I have parked it half way across my large picture front window, which spoils our lovely view over the Pennine moors...cloud9

The alternative is park it slightly away from the house, on block paving in front of a detatched stone single garage, that I hardly use, the problem being this area ia ALMOST flat, but directly behind where the (very long) home would stand, the drive goes into a very steep 15 degree drop, and I am worried that even if I leave it in first gear, if the handbrake cable snapped it would career off down the drive and demolish the house opposite...yikes..biggrin

So, I figured, if I chocked all four wheels with concrete blocks, and fitted a couple of wheel champs, AND wedged a piece of pipe across the floor of the garage wedged up against substantial stone door pillars on the inside of the garage, and secured the motorhome to this via a strong rope or chain it should alay my fears....


Hence the question....
You could try drilling two sets of holes in your drive way, insert two dowel bars per set, a pair of railway sleepers backing up against the dowel bars and your campervan's wheels resting against the sleepers.... that would avoid you destroying not only your neighbours home but also dragging the rubble of your stone garage into it too.. hehe

Taita

8,005 posts

233 months

Friday 22nd August 2008
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Davi said:
Wacky Racer said:
Let me elaborate......

I have just bought a new motorhome, and have rather a large drive, so as it is a flat area I have parked it half way across my large picture front window, which spoils our lovely view over the Pennine moors...cloud9

The alternative is park it slightly away from the house, on block paving in front of a detatched stone single garage, that I hardly use, the problem being this area ia ALMOST flat, but directly behind where the (very long) home would stand, the drive goes into a very steep 15 degree drop, and I am worried that even if I leave it in first gear, if the handbrake cable snapped it would career off down the drive and demolish the house opposite...yikes..biggrin

So, I figured, if I chocked all four wheels with concrete blocks, and fitted a couple of wheel champs, AND wedged a piece of pipe across the floor of the garage wedged up against substantial stone door pillars on the inside of the garage, and secured the motorhome to this via a strong rope or chain it should alay my fears....


Hence the question....
If a couple of small pieces of wood will hold a large jet aircraft in place while they run engine tests, I have a sneaky suspicion that a couple of appropriately sized blocks will also hold your motorhome in situ should you the handbrake fail...
Quite, are you planning on attaching rocket thrusters to it and firing them? Its a motorhome not an aircraft carrier hehe