Music in retail store...(advice needed)
Music in retail store...(advice needed)
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speedy_thrills

Original Poster:

7,960 posts

273 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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One of my friends owns a retail store that's just been "caught" playing commercial radio (apparently this is illegal, public performance or something like that?). Anyway they have been given a choice between paying a silly money or turning the radio off.

How can she get around this issue? Are there any podcasts or similar she could use? Just a bit of pop music to keep the staff happy really smile.

DocJock

8,722 posts

270 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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The only way IIRC is to play music which they hold the rights to (ie written and performed themself) or which nobody holds rights to (this is why Greensleeves is popular for 'hold' music)

minimatt1967

17,384 posts

236 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Unfortunately they are fked, we've been hit with the same thing where i work! I'm glad my phone has 8gb worth of memory on it, not ideal, but beats silence thumbup

Baby Huey

4,881 posts

229 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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There was a thread about this on here not long ago.

Someone suggested that if you get a digital tv/sky and listen to the radio via the TV, then the licence is much cheaper.

Kinky

39,944 posts

299 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Been discussed in detail a few times, a few months ago.

Top 3 threads here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/search4.asp?h=0...

speedy_thrills

Original Poster:

7,960 posts

273 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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I was quite suprised actually, I though she should have been the one asking for money given she is playing their adverts to a captive audience in her shop.

Could be a good business venture in that somewhere yes.

Apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Only in the UK eh, why are we so anally retentive and obsessive with stupid and pointless regulation, it's almost as if we enjoy highlighting our own stupidity

Finlandia

7,818 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Apache said:
Only in the UK eh, why are we so anally retentive and obsessive with stupid and pointless regulation, it's almost as if we enjoy highlighting our own stupidity
Not only in UK, Sweden is even worse, believe me yes

BlackMagic *tree

8,786 posts

225 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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"Caught". As in by the PRS? If so tell them to fk off as you're not interested in their demands. I co-own a beauty salon and kept getting calls off them telling me I needed a licence to play copywritten music where clients could hear it. I bought it for one year then looked into it more and didn't renew. When they rang telling me I owed (something like) £30 I told them I only listened to commercial radio and the station had already paid royalties to the performer/writer in order to broadcast the song. I got a revised bill for a lower amount which I ripped up and sent back to the PRS with a note attached telling them to stick their "certificates" up their arse. Not heard anything since but their are lots of forum threads elsewhere discussing the PRS and their bullying tactics. Don't pay.

Simpo Two

92,891 posts

295 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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You could ask PHer 'GetCarter' - he makes his living in the music industry and has 25 years exerience. He'll be able to give you the true answer; whether you run with it or not is up to you.

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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BlackMagic *tree said:
"Caught". As in by the PRS? If so tell them to fk off as you're not interested in their demands. I co-own a beauty salon and kept getting calls off them telling me I needed a licence to play copywritten music where clients could hear it. I bought it for one year then looked into it more and didn't renew. When they rang telling me I owed (something like) £30 I told them I only listened to commercial radio and the station had already paid royalties to the performer/writer in order to broadcast the song. I got a revised bill for a lower amount which I ripped up and sent back to the PRS with a note attached telling them to stick their "certificates" up their arse. Not heard anything since but their are lots of forum threads elsewhere discussing the PRS and their bullying tactics. Don't pay.
When I was working in the UK a couple of years ago, I too had a call from these jokers, asking how many workers we had, and did we have a licence to use the radio. I thought it was a wind up, told the bint to sod off and haunt someone else - never heard a thing since!

If this is the kind of new jobs that the government hark on about, God help the UK's future - they add absolutley zero contribution to the health of the economy, istead, help stifle it by extorting more money from already struggling businesses - hateful people - it's not work, it's anti work!

Edited by chris watton on Saturday 11th October 10:37

Orb the Impaler

1,881 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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You selfish bds! What about poor Madonna? She *needs* that money!

David87

7,032 posts

242 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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We probably get around three of these PRS letters per month at work.laugh

MitchT

17,148 posts

239 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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The notion of musicians getting paid for their work - how repugnant. Next they'll be asking people to pay for the goods they've picked up before leaving shops... asking people people to pay the hairdresser before leaving a salon... etc. We must stop the rot before people who work start getting something in return for it!

Finlandia

7,818 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Orb the Impaler said:
You selfish bds! What about poor Madonna? She *needs* that money!
That's the thing, "poor" Maddie gets her fair share already as royalty payments from the radio station, or am I wrong?

Orb the Impaler

1,881 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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MitchT said:
The notion of musicians getting paid for their work - how repugnant. Next they'll be asking people to pay for the goods they've picked up before leaving shops... asking people people to pay the hairdresser before leaving a salon... etc. We must stop the rot before people who work start getting something in return for it!
My remark was somewhat tongue in cheek - there are the likes of eg. Madonna and there are small struggling bands. Which bands get 99% of airplay on mainstream radio stations, of the sort you're likely to hear in a salon or shop?

Also - musicians *want* their music played on the radio; it boosts sales. Of what benefit is stopping thousands of extra people from hearing their music?

I find the whole notion of a shop or whatever having to pay for what the radio station has already paid for (and that can only ultimately bring in more sales for the artist) ridiculous.

Baby Huey

4,881 posts

229 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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MitchT said:
The notion of musicians getting paid for their work - how repugnant. Next they'll be asking people to pay for the goods they've picked up before leaving shops... asking people people to pay the hairdresser before leaving a salon... etc. We must stop the rot before people who work start getting something in return for it!
The vast majority of people who can hear the radio that is being played will have paid for a TV licence any way, giving them the right to listen to the radio.

Sounds like you want paying twice. How is that fair?

MrVelox

2,974 posts

217 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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For playing the radio? This is asinine. If you listen to the BBC, it's paid for by the TV License. If you listen to a commercial station, it's paid for by advertising.

Biggest con-job I have yet heard.

Finlandia

7,818 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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What if you listen to the radio in your convertible and people hear it at a redlight?

Globulator

13,847 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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MrVelox said:
For playing the radio? This is asinine. If you listen to the BBC, it's paid for by the TV License. If you listen to a commercial station, it's paid for by advertising.

Biggest con-job I have yet heard.
Yes - surely if everyone listening has already got a TV license then they are already legally covered.

Trying to get the money twice is a mean trick.
Tell them to fk off.