How Big does a helium balloon need to be.....
How Big does a helium balloon need to be.....
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Tony*T3

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20,911 posts

277 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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to lift a single grown man (assuming 100kg weight)....?

How much helium would be needed? How small could the containing canister be?

Not to fly off into the great unknown, but just enough to get them a few feet off the ground.

One for the PH scientists.... wink


jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

242 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Mythbusters did this one, albeit it for a small child, with Helium balloons. Took a few hundred I believe. Not much help, but there you go, it is a Friday 'noon.

kambites

71,550 posts

251 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Helium 0.1786 g/l
Nitrogen 1.251 g/l


0.1786 x V + 100,000 = 1.251 x V

100,000 = 1.251 x V - 0.1786 x V
= 1.0724 x V

V = 100,000/1.0724
= 93249 litres



So lots? 93 Cubic meters or there abouts.

ETA: That's assuming that the man has zero volume, but it's close enough because even a fast bd is less than a cubic meter.

Edited by kambites on Friday 17th October 15:31

bigandclever

14,395 posts

268 months

lawrence567

7,507 posts

220 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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basically how many balloons do we need to get from the fayre then?

HundredthIdiot

4,477 posts

314 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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mel

10,168 posts

305 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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They used to have a couple at RAF Bicester with baskets under them for parachute training from 800ft, they were fooking terrifying, they were about 12 ft diameter and would take 4 people at a time up in a winch.

johnfm

13,751 posts

280 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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kambites said:
Helium 0.1786 g/l
Nitrogen 1.251 g/l


0.1786 x V + 100,000 = 1.251 x V

100,000 = 1.251 x V - 0.1786 x V
= 1.0724 x V

V = 100,000/1.0724
= 93249 litres



So lots? 93 Cubic meters or there abouts.

ETA: That's assuming that the man has zero volume, but it's close enough because even a fast bd is less than a cubic meter.

Edited by kambites on Friday 17th October 15:31
why have you used the density of nitrogen? Shouldn't you use that of air?

crofty1984

17,064 posts

234 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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johnfm said:
kambites said:
Helium 0.1786 g/l
Nitrogen 1.251 g/l


0.1786 x V + 100,000 = 1.251 x V

100,000 = 1.251 x V - 0.1786 x V
= 1.0724 x V

V = 100,000/1.0724
= 93249 litres



So lots? 93 Cubic meters or there abouts.

ETA: That's assuming that the man has zero volume, but it's close enough because even a fast bd is less than a cubic meter.

Edited by kambites on Friday 17th October 15:31
why have you used the density of nitrogen? Shouldn't you use that of air?
Air's mostly Nitrogen, so it's not far off.

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Neil_H

15,418 posts

281 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Not planning to do this are you?


swiftpete

1,894 posts

223 months

Sunday 19th October 2008
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Although it's a different thing altogether, if you want to fly then a powerkite will easily let you get a few feet off the ground. I went on mine yesterday and even when I wasn't deliberately jumping and I was holding it still in the sky, it was lifting me a couple of feet off the ground every few seconds. Good fun but aching today though..