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What are peoples feelings RE the US raids into Pakistan and Syria? On one hand, militants are coming over the border; on the other perhaps pissing of Pakistan and Syria isn't the wisest of moves if you're trying to stabilize the region and not look imperialist
AP said:
A U.S. military official in Washington says special forces conducted the raid in Syria on Sunday to target the network of al-Qaida-linked foreign fighters moving through Syria to help fight in the war in Iraq. Syria said troops in four helicopters attacked a building and killed eight people, including four children.
"We are taking matters into our own hands," the U.S. military official in Washington told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the political sensitivity of raiding another country.
Apologies if this is a repost...search = broken"We are taking matters into our own hands," the U.S. military official in Washington told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the political sensitivity of raiding another country.
What are peoples feelings RE the US raids into Pakistan and Syria? On one hand, militants are coming over the border; on the other perhaps pissing of Pakistan and Syria isn't the wisest of moves if you're trying to stabilize the region and not look imperialist
collateral said:
What are peoples feelings RE the US raids into Pakistan and Syria? On one hand, militants are coming over the border; on the other perhaps pissing of Pakistan and Syria isn't the wisest of moves if you're trying to stabilize the region and not look imperialist
I doubt we would like getting bombed should a few chavs escape the UK and cause havoc in one of our neighbouring countries. So, umm, yeah, USA is bang out of order (i havent even read the article but i bet some innocent bystanders got killed).Edited by scorp on Monday 27th October 17:29
It seems that whenever these raids take place it is always claimed to have only killed civilians. Rather dubious in my book since the US presumably had a good reason to mount the raid in the first place.
If Syria permits insurgents to use its territory as a base it can have no complaints if the US takes out those bases on its soil.
It is interesting that someone mentioned Cambodia and Laos. I suppose one lesson from Vietnam is that you cannot defeat an insurgency which is being supplied via neighbouring countries. The US actions in that war to block the Ho Chi Minh trail were insufficient.
If Syria permits insurgents to use its territory as a base it can have no complaints if the US takes out those bases on its soil.
It is interesting that someone mentioned Cambodia and Laos. I suppose one lesson from Vietnam is that you cannot defeat an insurgency which is being supplied via neighbouring countries. The US actions in that war to block the Ho Chi Minh trail were insufficient.
scorp said:
collateral said:
What are peoples feelings RE the US raids into Pakistan and Syria? On one hand, militants are coming over the border; on the other perhaps pissing of Pakistan and Syria isn't the wisest of moves if you're trying to stabilize the region and not look imperialist
I doubt we would like getting bombed should a few chavs escape the UK and cause havoc in one of our neighbouring countries. So, umm, yeah, USA is bang out of order (i havent even read the article but i bet some innocent bystanders got killed).
Some good points made in this thread. I think the US needs to be more open with the world about who it killed, what evidence it had against the individual(s), etc. I think that would help keep world opinion on its side.
Killing 20 innocent women and children for the sake of getting one high value target is a very big deal. Cryptic issuances from the US military do nothing to soothe the anger felt about these strikes. What if the enemy gets the same technology as well? What is the US going to do then, if it continues to act in this way?
Killing 20 innocent women and children for the sake of getting one high value target is a very big deal. Cryptic issuances from the US military do nothing to soothe the anger felt about these strikes. What if the enemy gets the same technology as well? What is the US going to do then, if it continues to act in this way?
Whilst have have complete sympathy with wanting to pursue the baddies, regardless of the borders that they cross - If a country thinks that it has the god given right to piss in whichever pot it wants it has seriously misunderstood the concept of statehood.
The result is hyper bad publicity to the 'land of the free' by stomping every other countries' national boundaries.
Tell the Syrians that if they don't do something, then you will - but to rely on that trite mantra of Bushism of "with us or against us" isn't helpful.
(Probably a good shoot though - if they got the target)
The result is hyper bad publicity to the 'land of the free' by stomping every other countries' national boundaries.
Tell the Syrians that if they don't do something, then you will - but to rely on that trite mantra of Bushism of "with us or against us" isn't helpful.
(Probably a good shoot though - if they got the target)
carerra g tea said:
Some good points made in this thread. I think the US needs to be more open with the world about who it killed, what evidence it had against the individual(s), etc. I think that would help keep world opinion on its side.
Killing 20 innocent women and children for the sake of getting one high value target is a very big deal. Cryptic issuances from the US military do nothing to soothe the anger felt about these strikes. What if the enemy gets the same technology as well? What is the US going to do then, if it continues to act in this way?
A mere 20? It's no big deal. Killing 20 innocent women and children for the sake of getting one high value target is a very big deal. Cryptic issuances from the US military do nothing to soothe the anger felt about these strikes. What if the enemy gets the same technology as well? What is the US going to do then, if it continues to act in this way?
How many hundreds, or thousands, of civilians got blown to bits when 'our' forces attacked Baghdad with bombs and missiles back at the start of all this?
Does anybody really think that car bombers or suicide bombers are any more guilty or heinous than a guy who drops his deadly random payload from 40,000 feet onto a crowded city??
Any anybody who believes they 'only attacked industrial sites' is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Burgmeister said:
DirtyHarry88 said:
Fittster said:
If country A kills civilians in country B you can hardly be surprised when country B kills civilians in country A.
That's a bit simplistic. 968 said:
Burgmeister said:
DirtyHarry88 said:
Fittster said:
If country A kills civilians in country B you can hardly be surprised when country B kills civilians in country A.
That's a bit simplistic. rhinochopig said:
968 said:
Burgmeister said:
DirtyHarry88 said:
Fittster said:
If country A kills civilians in country B you can hardly be surprised when country B kills civilians in country A.
That's a bit simplistic. 968 said:
rhinochopig said:
968 said:
Burgmeister said:
DirtyHarry88 said:
Fittster said:
If country A kills civilians in country B you can hardly be surprised when country B kills civilians in country A.
That's a bit simplistic. 
968 said:
Burgmeister said:
DirtyHarry88 said:
Fittster said:
If country A kills civilians in country B you can hardly be surprised when country B kills civilians in country A.
That's a bit simplistic. Arguably one of the biggest cock-ups was running out of Afghan into Iraq before the job was fully done on AQT thereby allowing them to consolidate.
They should have sorted Afghan first and THEN lied their b
ks off over Saddam.Skywalker said:
Whilst have have complete sympathy with wanting to pursue the baddies, regardless of the borders that they cross - If a country thinks that it has the god given right to piss in whichever pot it wants it has seriously misunderstood the concept of statehood.
The result is hyper bad publicity to the 'land of the free' by stomping every other countries' national boundaries.
Tell the Syrians that if they don't do something, then you will - but to rely on that trite mantra of Bushism of "with us or against us" isn't helpful.
(Probably a good shoot though - if they got the target)
+1The result is hyper bad publicity to the 'land of the free' by stomping every other countries' national boundaries.
Tell the Syrians that if they don't do something, then you will - but to rely on that trite mantra of Bushism of "with us or against us" isn't helpful.
(Probably a good shoot though - if they got the target)
Bombing another country is an act of war. US are out of order - and they don't even have the decency to admit it. They need to work with these countries, not go off and do whatever the hell they feel like.
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