Thinking the unspeakable
Thinking the unspeakable
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singlecoil

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35,832 posts

276 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?
You just did you weirdo!!!

Hedders

24,460 posts

277 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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I am with you.

It must be quite hard for a parent to make that call though frown

singlecoil

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35,832 posts

276 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?
You just did you weirdo!!!
Just did what? (You pratt)

mft

1,752 posts

252 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?
Stop being a coward. Why do you repress your opinions? Internet fora provide a (relatively) low comeback environment. Look at BSR, for example. wink

Explore it - what you're describing is nothing more than euthanasia, which many people would agree with. The only difference between this case, and someone older dying of something unpleasant, is that it's a chiiiiiild. Won't somebody think of the chiiiillldren?

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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On an unusually serious note, it is easy to make that judgement for yourself, but I know a woman who fosters such children knowing they will die- and everyone who knows her will say the same. Every kid she fosters gets some kind of life. Certainly better than no life. THey also often live an awful lot longer than expected.
I would also venture that if you ask any parent with terminally ill children if they would rather have had the limited amount of time with thier child, or it never happened in the first place- a high percentage would say the former.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?
You just did you weirdo!!!
Just did what? (You pratt)
YOu said "I dare not put my thoughts on a forum" on a forum with your thoughts.

singlecoil

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35,832 posts

276 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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blindswelledrat said:
On an unusually serious note, it is easy to make that judgement for yourself, but I know a woman who fosters such children knowing they will die- and everyone who knows her will say the same. Every kid she fosters gets some kind of life. Certainly better than no life. THey also often live an awful lot longer than expected.
I would also venture that if you ask any parent with terminally ill children if they would rather have had the limited amount of time with thier child, or it never happened in the first place- a high percentage would say the former.
That's what I'm on about, that's why such thoughts are unspeakable. As soon as such thoughts are spoken, that's the kind of response that will be made (and that's a very moderate, gentle response, most would not be)

mft

1,752 posts

252 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
On an unusually serious note, it is easy to make that judgement for yourself, but I know a woman who fosters such children knowing they will die- and everyone who knows her will say the same. Every kid she fosters gets some kind of life. Certainly better than no life. THey also often live an awful lot longer than expected.
I would also venture that if you ask any parent with terminally ill children if they would rather have had the limited amount of time with thier child, or it never happened in the first place- a high percentage would say the former.
That's what I'm on about, that's why such thoughts are unspeakable. As soon as such thoughts are spoken, that's the kind of response that will be made (and that's a very moderate, gentle response, most would not be)
Hmmm.

It's called a discussion. Welcome to Pistonheads, and indeed the world.

singlecoil

Original Poster:

35,832 posts

276 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?
You just did you weirdo!!!
Just did what? (You pratt)
YOu said "I dare not put my thoughts on a forum" on a forum with your thoughts.
But I didn't. I used astrericks to conceal my thoughts. You should not have made assumptions.

Neil_H

15,418 posts

281 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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It's not really unspeakable, although parents who have experienced this would probably disagree with you.

I think that about people who have been severely mentally disabled, and need 24 hour care. If that ever happened to me, I would much prefer to have someone hold a pillow over my face for a few minutes and draw a line under it there. Why spend the rest of your life as a dribbling fool with no understanding of the world around you, and needing a dedicated team of people and thousands of pounds to look after you?

johnfm

13,751 posts

280 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
Every now and then I come across a situation and immediately a response pops into my mind. For instance, I read a sad story abut a child that has been born with some genetic disorder (a disorder that is well defined medically and which is uncurable and means that the person concerned will lead a life of a few pain filled years, and will then die) and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?

What I want to share with you is the frustration I feel knowing that I dare not speak my thoughts aloud or write them on a forum. Anyone else feel the same? Are you braver than me?
You just did you weirdo!!!
Just did what? (You pratt)
YOu said "I dare not put my thoughts on a forum" on a forum with your thoughts.
But I didn't. I used astrericks to conceal my thoughts. You should not have made assumptions.
we cannot jusge without knowing what the **** were hiding.

singlecoil

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35,832 posts

276 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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mft said:
singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
On an unusually serious note, it is easy to make that judgement for yourself, but I know a woman who fosters such children knowing they will die- and everyone who knows her will say the same. Every kid she fosters gets some kind of life. Certainly better than no life. THey also often live an awful lot longer than expected.
I would also venture that if you ask any parent with terminally ill children if they would rather have had the limited amount of time with thier child, or it never happened in the first place- a high percentage would say the former.
That's what I'm on about, that's why such thoughts are unspeakable. As soon as such thoughts are spoken, that's the kind of response that will be made (and that's a very moderate, gentle response, most would not be)
Hmmm.

It's called a discussion. Welcome to Pistonheads, and indeed the world.
I see where you are misunderstanding. I am not referring to this forum, I am referring to the forum I was reading earlier where someone started a thread about a specific child with a specific problem. I would not have said what I thought on that forum without being mauled for it, but it didn't stop me thinking it.

Twincam16

27,647 posts

288 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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There's also a medical side to the argument - if a cure could be found, the problem that causes all the grief wouldn't exist, but doctors need live patients to try their hardest and advance medical science.

Treatments may not work or may do little to prolong lives or improve them in any way, but if they do succeed, and build on the success of previous research, then maybe the future could be brighter than you think.

Certainly if the stigma of stem cell research was removed by the hand-wringers, we could make leaps and bounds with the science and these tragic terminal cases might have some hope.

Just killing them doesn't do the sufferers who want to live any favours in the long term.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
On an unusually serious note, it is easy to make that judgement for yourself, but I know a woman who fosters such children knowing they will die- and everyone who knows her will say the same. Every kid she fosters gets some kind of life. Certainly better than no life. THey also often live an awful lot longer than expected.
I would also venture that if you ask any parent with terminally ill children if they would rather have had the limited amount of time with thier child, or it never happened in the first place- a high percentage would say the former.
That's what I'm on about, that's why such thoughts are unspeakable. As soon as such thoughts are spoken, that's the kind of response that will be made (and that's a very moderate, gentle response, most would not be)
You are a sensitive little soul aren't you.
Provided you put your thoughts in a carefull manner, you can say most things provided they are full understandable, which they are.
What does it matter if someone forcefully disagrees though?

Hypothetical-conversation said:

Singlecoil: I was thinking that we should euthanise babies with terminal diseases for the sake of them and thier parents
BSR: DOn't be a prick. WHat a horrible thing to say. Baby killer
WHat if that happened? What are the negatives to that? A bit of banter breaks out and then you switch of Pistonheads and forget about it.
The next time you come across that person you might agree wholeheartedly.
WHat are you actually scared might happen?

singlecoil

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35,832 posts

276 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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blindswelledrat said:
Hypothetical-conversation said:

Singlecoil: I was thinking that we should euthanise babies with terminal diseases for the sake of them and thier parents
BSR: DOn't be a prick. WHat a horrible thing to say. Baby killer
WHat if that happened? What are the negatives to that? A bit of banter breaks out and then you switch of Pistonheads and forget about it.
The next time you come across that person you might agree wholeheartedly.
WHat are you actually scared might happen?
I am not referring to this forum, I am referring to the forum I was reading earlier where someone started a thread about a specific child with a specific problem (in fact, they were soliciting donations for the vast amount of equipment that would be needed for its care). I would not have said what I thought on that forum without being mauled for it, but it didn't stop me thinking it.

As to what was I scared of? well, being banned from that forum, I suppose, which would be a particular nuisance

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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You are the least offensive person ever.
If you get banned for expressing an opinion then it is a stupid forum.
Having said that, under the circumstances of the thread it would probably be somewhat insensitive to have said it!

But I would have laughed at your innapropriateness if that helps any.

Swilly

9,699 posts

304 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
blindswelledrat said:
Hypothetical-conversation said:

Singlecoil: I was thinking that we should euthanise babies with terminal diseases for the sake of them and thier parents
BSR: DOn't be a prick. WHat a horrible thing to say. Baby killer
WHat if that happened? What are the negatives to that? A bit of banter breaks out and then you switch of Pistonheads and forget about it.
The next time you come across that person you might agree wholeheartedly.
WHat are you actually scared might happen?
I am not referring to this forum, I am referring to the forum I was reading earlier where someone started a thread about a specific child with a specific problem (in fact, they were soliciting donations for the vast amount of equipment that would be needed for its care). I would not have said what I thought on that forum without being mauled for it, but it didn't stop me thinking it.

As to what was I scared of? well, being banned from that forum, I suppose, which would be a particular nuisance
You werent scared, you just exercised some good sense.

No point in posting something on any thread which is irrelevant to the thread, you're always going to get pasted for that.

A thread raising money for a kids treatment isnt about discussing what should be done/happen to the kid is it !!

You do realise life is to short to give a fook about being scared.... in this respect an insight into the short lives of such children would hammer this point home.

some people are living but dont know they are alive !!

glazbagun

15,374 posts

227 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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I once saw a schoolgirl wearing her blazer with a stupidly short skirt and pumps and thought... that it was innaporpriate as school uniform. Does that count?

King Herald

23,501 posts

246 months

Friday 31st October 2008
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singlecoil said:
.... and I think why on earth is that child *** *** to ***** and spare it and its parents a few years of misery?....
I must be the dimbo of the forum, because I haven't got a fvckin' clue what *** *** to ***** stands for???? confused