Ryanair flight crash lands

[Neil_H]

Multiple bird strike apparently....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7719716.stm



(apologies if repost)

[Eric Mc]

Must have had to land overweight. Otherwise, why would a bird strike cause the main undercarriage leg to partially fold?

[CanAm]

Strange as Eric says, as it was on a flight from Frankurt to Rome and it had the multiple bird strike on its approach.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

Must have had to land overweight. Otherwise, why would a bird strike cause the main undercarriage leg to partially fold?

All Boeings are certified to land at MTOW.

My understanding was that they experienced a multiple bird ingestion into one engine on short final, went around and then had the same thing happen to the other engine.

The gear would collapse due to the force of the 'landing'.

[lazyitus]

Eric Mc said:

Must have had to land overweight. Otherwise, why would a bird strike cause the main undercarriage leg to partially fold?

It depends if the birds in question were Flamingos.

It's a sympathy thing.

Edited by lazyitus on Monday 10th November 13:05

[Extra 300 Driver]

Eric Mc said:

Must have had to land overweight. Otherwise, why would a bird strike cause the main undercarriage leg to partially fold?

It depends what the vertical speed was at impact, anything over 800fpm and the main leg can be damaged. It must have been a hell of a thump

[B.J.W]

lazyitus said:

Eric Mc said:

Must have had to land overweight. Otherwise, why would a bird strike cause the main undercarriage leg to partially fold?

It depends if the birds in question were Flamingos.

[Bushmaster]

Al Quaida doesn't train flocks of suicide attack pigeons.

But if they did...

[Extra 300 Driver]

anonymous said:

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Its strong enough

If you look at the millions of flying hours aircraft fly for, this type of accident is very very rare. The only time I have seen the leg of the jet go through the wing was on BA0038 that landed at Hatton Cross tube station!

[SeeFive]

Looks like he lost all power coming in. They tend to land under power - kind of fly it down the glide path rather than just drift in to land. With sudden loss of both engines, I'd say the pilot had a very well controlled crash landing by the look of that.

Good job that man.

[parakitaMol.]

BBC said:

picture of the plane on the Ryanair website appeared to show red splotches on the nose cone and wings - presumably from the birds.

Or aliens.

Edited by parakitaMol. on Monday 10th November 13:19

[Bushmaster]

I wonder if it possible to fit a jet's intake with some sort of retractable screen that deploys at low speed/low altitude (when birds may be expected)?

[mark69sheer]

You can see the impact damage on the nosecone and wing. (blood stains) Must have been a big flock. The airports bird scarers weren't doing their job.

[Extra 300 Driver]

Bushmaster said:

I wonder if it possible to fit a jet's intake with some sort of retractable screen that deploys at low speed/low altitude (when birds may be expected)?

They have guards that fit to the intakes for engine ground runs, this is because the high power of the engine can suck the tarmac up from the ground! Also stops small children being minced that may be on a school trip.

[anonymous-user]

Extra 300 Driver said:

They have guards that fit to the intakes for engine ground runs,

On 737's?

[Extra 300 Driver]

el stovey said:

Extra 300 Driver said:

They have guards that fit to the intakes for engine ground runs,

On 737's?

Yes, there are some about but you dont ever see them fitted. We have them in our stores, under a load of other rubbish.

[schmokin1]

the 737-800 is certified to land routinely at 65,317 kilos. Report said they were coming in from Frankfurt (that would be Hahn), not taking off from Ciampino to go to Hahn, so they would not have been forced to come back for an overweight landing due to bird induced damage. Even if they had it would have been a couple of tons over, which is no problem for the gear and points to other factors being involved...

As usual with these types of happening, it's best to wait for the experts to pick over it rather than to spend a lot of energy speculating. Only 2 people really know what happened!

[Extra 300 Driver]

schmokin1 said:

As usual with these types of happening, it's best to wait for the experts to pick over it rather than to spend a lot of energy speculating. Only 2 people really know what happened!

[Bushmaster]

schmokin1 said:

As usual with these types of happening, it's best to wait for the experts to pick over it rather than to spend a lot of energy speculating.

Maybe true if you are with the NTSB, definitely not true if you are with PH.

[TIGA84]

el stovey said:

Eric Mc said:

Must have had to land overweight. Otherwise, why would a bird strike cause the main undercarriage leg to partially fold?

All Boeings are certified to land at MTOW.

My understanding was that they experienced a multiple bird ingestion into one engine on short final, went around and then had the same thing happen to the other engine.

The gear would collapse due to the force of the 'landing'.

So effectively a double delayed bird strike?

Why would you go around on a single engine, rather than land on one, surely it would be easier to slow down with the failed engine out of action?

Granted I dont know at what height it happened, so maybe they didnt have time to get it lined up properly, or got pushed out of position with the failure?