dam naughty dog!
Discussion
Right, basically my mum has this 10 mnth old female Jack Russell, and for the 1st 6 months of its life it was abused by its owner, the RSPCA said it was hit and neglected then abandoned.
When mum got it at first it was incredibly timid and when you would out your hand out to stroke it, it would do a small wee on the floor. With regards to that, it has stopped doing that with mum and must realise she isn't going to hurt it. I'm only at my mums for a week and for the first couple of days she was doing it with me, though she seems to trust me now.
The dog has been to obedience school and does the basics like sit, and doesn't pull on the lead, and general comes back when you call for her when she is off the lead.
The problem is....
when you put her outside she doesn't always go for a wee or a poo, which you might think is fine as she might not want to, however not long after that, the dog might just poo or wee in another part of the house. The dog wont let anyone know it wanted the toilet. Last night I kicked the dog out to go to the toilet before I went to bed, left her out for about 5 mins and when I opened the door she was waiting by the door. So I le there in, I went up to bed and the dog followed, jumped on my bed whilst I went to the toilet and I returned to the dog cowering with its tail between its legs with a massive stinking puddle of wee on my quilt which had also gone onto the mattress.
I then though sod it and slept downstairs on the sofa with the dog in its basket, I woke up in the morn and there was 2 massive poo's and another puddlde of wee around the house. 1) how can such a small dog produce soooo much waste and 2) how the hell can mum stop this(im off home today)
The problem is I don't want to whack the dog as I don't want to make it regress and go into its shell again wiht it thinking we are no better than where it came from. The dog as a general dog is brilliant, its just this.
Mum has tried giving it lots of attention when it does go outside giving it a treat etc and throwing the dog in the garden for a while and telling it off when it does bad. My parents always used ot rub the dogs nose in its 'waste' when we were kids and that always seemed to work and then throw it outside, but im just thinking this might not be appropriate considering its history....
Any suggestions....
Thanks in advance.
When mum got it at first it was incredibly timid and when you would out your hand out to stroke it, it would do a small wee on the floor. With regards to that, it has stopped doing that with mum and must realise she isn't going to hurt it. I'm only at my mums for a week and for the first couple of days she was doing it with me, though she seems to trust me now.
The dog has been to obedience school and does the basics like sit, and doesn't pull on the lead, and general comes back when you call for her when she is off the lead.
The problem is....
when you put her outside she doesn't always go for a wee or a poo, which you might think is fine as she might not want to, however not long after that, the dog might just poo or wee in another part of the house. The dog wont let anyone know it wanted the toilet. Last night I kicked the dog out to go to the toilet before I went to bed, left her out for about 5 mins and when I opened the door she was waiting by the door. So I le there in, I went up to bed and the dog followed, jumped on my bed whilst I went to the toilet and I returned to the dog cowering with its tail between its legs with a massive stinking puddle of wee on my quilt which had also gone onto the mattress.
I then though sod it and slept downstairs on the sofa with the dog in its basket, I woke up in the morn and there was 2 massive poo's and another puddlde of wee around the house. 1) how can such a small dog produce soooo much waste and 2) how the hell can mum stop this(im off home today)
The problem is I don't want to whack the dog as I don't want to make it regress and go into its shell again wiht it thinking we are no better than where it came from. The dog as a general dog is brilliant, its just this.
Mum has tried giving it lots of attention when it does go outside giving it a treat etc and throwing the dog in the garden for a while and telling it off when it does bad. My parents always used ot rub the dogs nose in its 'waste' when we were kids and that always seemed to work and then throw it outside, but im just thinking this might not be appropriate considering its history....
Any suggestions....
Thanks in advance.
Perseverance.
You're doing the best that you can, keep spending time with it outside while it 'goes' and eventually it'll get the message.
Seriously, just keep reading up on it, don't resort to hitting it at all, and just keep gently guiding it outside. Don't use any threatening or emotional chastising as this exacerbates any nervousness which can cause them to make mistakes.
Maybe give it a treat after it has 'gone' outside so that it gets the idea that you are happy when they have done their business...
You're doing the best that you can, keep spending time with it outside while it 'goes' and eventually it'll get the message.
Seriously, just keep reading up on it, don't resort to hitting it at all, and just keep gently guiding it outside. Don't use any threatening or emotional chastising as this exacerbates any nervousness which can cause them to make mistakes.
Maybe give it a treat after it has 'gone' outside so that it gets the idea that you are happy when they have done their business...
Edited by neil_bolton on Tuesday 11th November 09:29
Its probably had the crap beaten out of it for dumping the in the house before.
Probably associates it with ALL dumping, no just in the house. So wont scratch at the door etc.
House training can be a long process, depends on the dog.
Lots of newspaper on the floor, and shut them in the kitchen/hall/etc (wherever works for your house) to minimise the damage until it all comes together.
Probably associates it with ALL dumping, no just in the house. So wont scratch at the door etc.
House training can be a long process, depends on the dog.
Lots of newspaper on the floor, and shut them in the kitchen/hall/etc (wherever works for your house) to minimise the damage until it all comes together.
Much the same as everyone else has said (apart from ebay!).
You / your mum must spend time with the dog outside. Everytime the dog toilets outside she must be rewarded. When she goes indoors - ignore her. She does not know she has done wrong. While you might think she is looking guilty and 'knows' she has done wrong, all she's doing is reading the displeased expression on your face.
The fact that the dog goes indoors when no-one is watching her tells me that she has been told off before for doing it. All the dog understands from this is that it is wrong to toilet. Full stop. So she goes when no-one is watching.
It can be a long process, but perseverance and continuity is the key.
Hope that helps
You / your mum must spend time with the dog outside. Everytime the dog toilets outside she must be rewarded. When she goes indoors - ignore her. She does not know she has done wrong. While you might think she is looking guilty and 'knows' she has done wrong, all she's doing is reading the displeased expression on your face.
The fact that the dog goes indoors when no-one is watching her tells me that she has been told off before for doing it. All the dog understands from this is that it is wrong to toilet. Full stop. So she goes when no-one is watching.
It can be a long process, but perseverance and continuity is the key.
Hope that helps
The Ben said:
ye it does help, cheers guys. I guess she is still a puppy yet at 10 months... But its seems to be most days....
Will keep going at it!!
Bear in mind that it's not had the best of starts in life so its going to bear some scars and ingrained problems.Will keep going at it!!
However, its only 10 months old and you have a very good opportunity to raise a very well trained and loved dog.
As I said, perseverance is key.
We were very lucky with ours, he learnt within a few months, but we still had accidents for up to 6 months until he matured.
There is a high likelyhood that you may have a few months to go, but with a good routine, some love and kindness, I've no doubt that you'll get there
Does the dog enjoy walks?
Try taking the dog out into the garden. As soon as it has been to the toilet, off for a short walk.
This has double benefits. Dog learns going outside means it can go to the toilent and get a wolk.
When you want to take the dog anywhere, into the garden emoty bowels, take dog out with knowledge she shouldn't want to go whilst you are out.
Failing that treats and praise for outside - ignore inside. If you punish this dog it simply won't get it.
Try taking the dog out into the garden. As soon as it has been to the toilet, off for a short walk.
This has double benefits. Dog learns going outside means it can go to the toilent and get a wolk.
When you want to take the dog anywhere, into the garden emoty bowels, take dog out with knowledge she shouldn't want to go whilst you are out.
Failing that treats and praise for outside - ignore inside. If you punish this dog it simply won't get it.
We had a dog that had been rescued by Dogs Trust
When we got her she would never bark, even if accidently locked out the back door. She would sit on the step and wait. For hours. In the cold, snow etc. Never barked. Just sat waiting patiently looking at the door.
I suspect she had been locked outside then beaten for barking - it certainly took a few years to cure her of this behaviour.
When we got her she would never bark, even if accidently locked out the back door. She would sit on the step and wait. For hours. In the cold, snow etc. Never barked. Just sat waiting patiently looking at the door.
I suspect she had been locked outside then beaten for barking - it certainly took a few years to cure her of this behaviour.
Crate training is the easiest and fasted method.
That includes treats for performing in the garden.
Overnight in the crate.
In the morning directly from crate to the garden (have the treats with you) and give after a successful XXXX.
The dog wants to do the right thing, just needs some guidence.
Don't make the mistake of buying a crate too large.
That includes treats for performing in the garden.
Overnight in the crate.
In the morning directly from crate to the garden (have the treats with you) and give after a successful XXXX.
The dog wants to do the right thing, just needs some guidence.
Don't make the mistake of buying a crate too large.
Start with newspapers by the door and teach it to go there. Following that, put the newspaper outside the door and then eventually it can go altogether.
Do persevere though. Little chap sounds like he needs all the help he can get.
FWIW, our 6 yr old Yorkie randomly pees and craps in the house the little git. Don't think it ever stops 100%.
Still better than the kitten we got. He decided it'd be a great idea to s
t in the pile of AV cables behind the TV (a lot of cables as well - TV, Sky, 2x DVD, PS2, PS3, Wii etc). Not content with that, he then rummaged the wires around to try and bury his delivery effectivelty spreading it everywhere...!
Do persevere though. Little chap sounds like he needs all the help he can get.
FWIW, our 6 yr old Yorkie randomly pees and craps in the house the little git. Don't think it ever stops 100%.
Still better than the kitten we got. He decided it'd be a great idea to s
t in the pile of AV cables behind the TV (a lot of cables as well - TV, Sky, 2x DVD, PS2, PS3, Wii etc). Not content with that, he then rummaged the wires around to try and bury his delivery effectivelty spreading it everywhere...!
This will not help the OP, but for someone who is getting a "used" model from a rescue or shelter.
The shelters round my way have an inside part, a small door and an outside run. If the cr@p is is all in the outside run, with nothing in the inner kennel. You have a good chance the dog is already house traind. If all the crap is at the far end of the outside run, then there is an excellent chance he will already be house trained. One treat for the first cr@p in the new garden, job done.
The shelters round my way have an inside part, a small door and an outside run. If the cr@p is is all in the outside run, with nothing in the inner kennel. You have a good chance the dog is already house traind. If all the crap is at the far end of the outside run, then there is an excellent chance he will already be house trained. One treat for the first cr@p in the new garden, job done.
You need to try to get her into a routine. And also cut down the amount of space in the house that the dog thinks is "hers". It might be too late to do the latter, but I use a puppy playpen that works brilliantly. Dogs are natural den makers, they need their own space where they can feel safe, secure and calm. If you can't/won't use a playpen then use (as suggested above) a room of the house which is shut off from the rest of the house, but where there are people regularly so she doesn't feel lonely all the time.
Dogs are (believe it or not) naturally clean animals, and a puppy will not want to soil it's own space so this area should be kept relatively clean. A small amount of newspaper or training pads can be used to encourage them to use a certain section of the space as a toilet but this should be kept away from the bed area and reduced gradually over time.
Once she has woken up, take her outside immediately. Dogs will want to wee about 30 seconds after getting up and poo about 5 minutes after. Do the same thing immediately after she has eaten. It's not nice to do so at the moment as it's bloody freezing outside but you should also go outside with her after sleep/food. Don't play with her at first, just take her out into the garden to wherever you want her to do the deed and stand there. Normally they will wee, run around for a bit then crimp off a length. Immediately give her a treat, this way she will associate crapping in the right place with treats. It's important to not give a treat when they crap in the wrong place, but also don't shout, just ignore the dog, clean the mess up and carry on. Don't give it any attention though. She will soon learn that love/treats come when the crimping is done in the right place
When she's inside, and until fully house broken try not to let her out of your sight for long or out of her "space". The usual signs for an imminent crimp are trotting around sniffing at the floor, stopping, sprinting to another spot then doing the same thing closely followed by circling round a spot, backing up and then squatting. If you get there in time, pick her up and take her outside immediately, watch her crimp and give her a treat.
You may find that the accidents you are experiencing at the moment might be down to abandonment. Yes you only left the room briefly but she might have thought you were leaving her there, in an unfamiliar room (just guessing here). It really is important that they have their own space know who's the boss and don't think the whole house is theirs.
Hope this helps...
By the way, if anyone can tell me how I can stop my 11 week old springer from biting the f*** out of me constantly I (and my skin) would appreciate it
Dogs are (believe it or not) naturally clean animals, and a puppy will not want to soil it's own space so this area should be kept relatively clean. A small amount of newspaper or training pads can be used to encourage them to use a certain section of the space as a toilet but this should be kept away from the bed area and reduced gradually over time.
Once she has woken up, take her outside immediately. Dogs will want to wee about 30 seconds after getting up and poo about 5 minutes after. Do the same thing immediately after she has eaten. It's not nice to do so at the moment as it's bloody freezing outside but you should also go outside with her after sleep/food. Don't play with her at first, just take her out into the garden to wherever you want her to do the deed and stand there. Normally they will wee, run around for a bit then crimp off a length. Immediately give her a treat, this way she will associate crapping in the right place with treats. It's important to not give a treat when they crap in the wrong place, but also don't shout, just ignore the dog, clean the mess up and carry on. Don't give it any attention though. She will soon learn that love/treats come when the crimping is done in the right place
When she's inside, and until fully house broken try not to let her out of your sight for long or out of her "space". The usual signs for an imminent crimp are trotting around sniffing at the floor, stopping, sprinting to another spot then doing the same thing closely followed by circling round a spot, backing up and then squatting. If you get there in time, pick her up and take her outside immediately, watch her crimp and give her a treat.
You may find that the accidents you are experiencing at the moment might be down to abandonment. Yes you only left the room briefly but she might have thought you were leaving her there, in an unfamiliar room (just guessing here). It really is important that they have their own space know who's the boss and don't think the whole house is theirs.
Hope this helps...
By the way, if anyone can tell me how I can stop my 11 week old springer from biting the f*** out of me constantly I (and my skin) would appreciate it
It's a very scared confused dog, not your fault but you need expert help. Please ask your vet for a reputable, qualified behaviourist. Well meaning advice on here may not be appropriate for her individual needs. Some of the stories I hear re: mis intepreting a dogs behaviour are quite scary. One I remember was a collie about to be put to sleep due to aggression, turned out dog was scared of the kitchen due to many reasons and she was responding with fear aggression, with a lot of time and effort from an expert, dog became normal again. and no more aggression.
The little bugger, I took it out side for ages and nothing, then went for a bath and low and behold when I came down, there was a massive puddle in the kitchen.... The dog is now outside... Not sure why I have done that, as it obviously is now relieved.... don't want to see the bloody hound... grrrrrrr
Just to add there is a dog flap on the back door in which the dog seems to be scared of going through even though I have shown the dog what do loads of times(obviously I have not climed through it) and always giving it a treat for going through, albeit I have had to sort of push the dog through myself... even the cats go through it so it is not like the flap is too heavy...
The Ben said:
The little bugger, I took it out side for ages and nothing, then went for a bath and low and behold when I came down, there was a massive puddle in the kitchen.... The dog is now outside... Not sure why I have done that, as it obviously is now relieved.... don't want to see the bloody hound... grrrrrrr
As Becks said - tricky to tell without seeing the dog and a qualified behaviourist would be best, but that is convincing me more and more that the dog got punished for toileting in the house. But - as far as the dog was concerned - she was punished for toileting - full stop. So she won't do it in front of anyone any more.Patience and consistency...........
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