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Revealed: NHS nurse who earns £100,000
AN NHS nurse has broken the £100,000 barrier for the first time as health staff cash in on generous incentive schemes.
The nurse consultant in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, has doubled her basic salary of £50,000 by working overtime under an NHS initiative to bring down waiting lists.
On this rate she would be hit by the tax raid launched by Alistair Darling against high earners – a startling indication of how public-sector workers have prospered under Labour.
Figures obtained by The Sunday Times under the Freedom of Information Act suggest dozens of NHS nurses now earn more than £60,000 a year.
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The incomes of hospital doctors have also rocketed, with many consultants’ NHS earnings exceeding £200,000.
One consultant at the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Foundation Trust was paid between £225,000 and £229,000 in the last financial year. A consultant at Tameside Hospital NHS Foundation Trust in Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manches-ter, earned £228,000.
Consultants’ basic salaries are being boosted by bonuses, or clinical excellence awards, and by payments to bring down waiting lists. One doctor at Gateshead Health NHS Foundation Trust was paid an extra £50,000 in the last financial year to help cut waiting times. Labour has promised to meet a waiting-times target of 18 weeks by the end of December.
There are no set national overtime rates. They are negotiated between trusts and their nurses and doctors, and are not publicly available.
The generous payments are controversial at a time of economic hardship. The health department has already been accused of awarding unduly generous new contracts to NHS employees without achieving better treatment for patients.
A recent report by the Commons public accounts committee found that a new contract for hospital consultants boosted their pay by 27% without any measurable improvements in productivity.
The disclosure of nurses’ true incomes challenges the perception that they are all poorly paid. Last month the Royal College of Nursing, a nurses’ union, claimed members were struggling to make ends meet. An appeal was launched last year to ask Premier League foot-ballers to donate a day’s pay to a fund for impoverished nurses.
The nurse who earned between £100,000 and £105,000 in the last financial year is a “nurse consultant”, one of the top grades of the profession, employed by the Rotherham NHS Foundation Trust.
The NHS employs more than 800 nurse consultants in England. Their roles can range from running clinic sessions advising patients on how to manage conditions such as diabetes, to performing minor surgery to remove cysts and moles. They also carry out research.
A newsletter published by the Rotherham trust last year said it had four nurses on this grade. It featured one nurse consultant, Julie D’Silva, who carries out endoscopies - internal examinations often inside the stomach.
In another issue D’Silva spoke about her contribution to cutting down the waiting list: “We have put in a great deal of effort to deliver the best service we can to the people of Rotherham. However, we don’t want to stop there and we hope that in time we will manage to get waiting times down even more.”
This weekend the trust said that for reasons of privacy neither it nor D’Silva would confirm whether she was the nurse who had earned in excess of £100,000.
A spokesman defended the extra payments: “The trust is very clear that these payments represent good value for money with real and tangible benefits to patients.”
A full-time nurse consultant normally works about 37.5 hours per week. Under the European working time directive, nurses should not do more than 48 hours a week. The trust declined to disclose how many extra hours the nurse was working for her additional £50,000.
The FOI returns show many nurses have annual incomes in excess of £60,000. A nurse at Buckinghamshire Hospitals NHS Trust had an income of £71,000, while a nurse at Sand-well and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust earned £61,000.
Official figures for September 2008 show NHS nurses had an average annual income, including overtime, of £31,600, while the average consultant salary was £119,200.
The British Medical Association, the doctors’ union, advises members they can max-imise extra NHS payments if there is no competition from private firms in the area. Consultants are estimated to be paid £600-£900 for four-hour shifts to cut waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article52...
Revealed: NHS nurse who earns £100,000
AN NHS nurse has broken the £100,000 barrier for the first time as health staff cash in on generous incentive schemes.
The nurse consultant in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, has doubled her basic salary of £50,000 by working overtime under an NHS initiative to bring down waiting lists.
On this rate she would be hit by the tax raid launched by Alistair Darling against high earners – a startling indication of how public-sector workers have prospered under Labour.
Figures obtained by The Sunday Times under the Freedom of Information Act suggest dozens of NHS nurses now earn more than £60,000 a year.
Related Links
The incomes of hospital doctors have also rocketed, with many consultants’ NHS earnings exceeding £200,000.
One consultant at the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Foundation Trust was paid between £225,000 and £229,000 in the last financial year. A consultant at Tameside Hospital NHS Foundation Trust in Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manches-ter, earned £228,000.
Consultants’ basic salaries are being boosted by bonuses, or clinical excellence awards, and by payments to bring down waiting lists. One doctor at Gateshead Health NHS Foundation Trust was paid an extra £50,000 in the last financial year to help cut waiting times. Labour has promised to meet a waiting-times target of 18 weeks by the end of December.
There are no set national overtime rates. They are negotiated between trusts and their nurses and doctors, and are not publicly available.
The generous payments are controversial at a time of economic hardship. The health department has already been accused of awarding unduly generous new contracts to NHS employees without achieving better treatment for patients.
A recent report by the Commons public accounts committee found that a new contract for hospital consultants boosted their pay by 27% without any measurable improvements in productivity.
The disclosure of nurses’ true incomes challenges the perception that they are all poorly paid. Last month the Royal College of Nursing, a nurses’ union, claimed members were struggling to make ends meet. An appeal was launched last year to ask Premier League foot-ballers to donate a day’s pay to a fund for impoverished nurses.
The nurse who earned between £100,000 and £105,000 in the last financial year is a “nurse consultant”, one of the top grades of the profession, employed by the Rotherham NHS Foundation Trust.
The NHS employs more than 800 nurse consultants in England. Their roles can range from running clinic sessions advising patients on how to manage conditions such as diabetes, to performing minor surgery to remove cysts and moles. They also carry out research.
A newsletter published by the Rotherham trust last year said it had four nurses on this grade. It featured one nurse consultant, Julie D’Silva, who carries out endoscopies - internal examinations often inside the stomach.
In another issue D’Silva spoke about her contribution to cutting down the waiting list: “We have put in a great deal of effort to deliver the best service we can to the people of Rotherham. However, we don’t want to stop there and we hope that in time we will manage to get waiting times down even more.”
This weekend the trust said that for reasons of privacy neither it nor D’Silva would confirm whether she was the nurse who had earned in excess of £100,000.
A spokesman defended the extra payments: “The trust is very clear that these payments represent good value for money with real and tangible benefits to patients.”
A full-time nurse consultant normally works about 37.5 hours per week. Under the European working time directive, nurses should not do more than 48 hours a week. The trust declined to disclose how many extra hours the nurse was working for her additional £50,000.
The FOI returns show many nurses have annual incomes in excess of £60,000. A nurse at Buckinghamshire Hospitals NHS Trust had an income of £71,000, while a nurse at Sand-well and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust earned £61,000.
Official figures for September 2008 show NHS nurses had an average annual income, including overtime, of £31,600, while the average consultant salary was £119,200.
The British Medical Association, the doctors’ union, advises members they can max-imise extra NHS payments if there is no competition from private firms in the area. Consultants are estimated to be paid £600-£900 for four-hour shifts to cut waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article52...
Edited by amir_j on Sunday 30th November 12:15
Yet at the same time there aren't enough jobs for nurses coming out of training. The NHS is so screwed up.
A friend of ours is Midwife Consultant and she earns £60K which sounds fantastic, but she was moaning that she was getting £20K and a free car when she first became a community midwife in 1980.
A friend of ours is Midwife Consultant and she earns £60K which sounds fantastic, but she was moaning that she was getting £20K and a free car when she first became a community midwife in 1980.
Balmoral Green said:
hornetrider said:
Thread title should be changed to "Nurse Consultant"
VERY different jobs.
VERY different jobs.
The media being disingenuous as usual, more lies designed to provoke the usual knee jerk reaction and outrage.
As I read the article, she doubled her salary by reducing waiting lists and treating people quicker - surely this is win/win?
Bing o said:
Balmoral Green said:
hornetrider said:
Thread title should be changed to "Nurse Consultant"
VERY different jobs.
VERY different jobs.
The media being disingenuous as usual, more lies designed to provoke the usual knee jerk reaction and outrage.
As I read the article, she doubled her salary by reducing waiting lists and treating people quicker - surely this is win/win?
hornetrider said:
Don't rise to the 
, er, I mean troll
People driving white vans never nearly killed my wife or firstborn or starved my grandmother. Neither did they neglect and abuse my wife during her stay in hospital and force her to walk on broken feet that had been undiagnosed after a head on crash to try and claim her bed. Nurses I have spoke to in hospitals have a chip and are lazy and even distributing tablets or changing dressings when instructed to by a consultant on his rounds can take three or more days while they rot until the nurses can get round to it. You are made to feel a nuisance when you ask for medication for your father who had a stroke and couldn't speak for himself and they just seem to want to hang around the desk chatting with every intrusion to their gossip raising their eyebrows. Some like the ones in HDU's and childrens wards are brilliant and complete angels , others in aged or orthopedic wards are ageist lazy and rude., er, I mean troll I never called them tossers or
s though despite them nearly killing my wife and firstborn and neglecting my 80yr old fathermark69sheer said:
hornetrider said:
Don't rise to the , er, I mean troll
People driving white vans never nearly killed my wife or firstborn or starved my grandmother. Neither did they neglect and abuse my wife during her stay in hospital and force her to walk on broken feet that had been undiagnosed after a head on crash to try and claim her bed. Nurses I have spoke to in hospitals have a chip and are lazy and even distributing tablets or changing dressings when instructed to by a consultant on his rounds can take three or more days while they rot until the nurses can get round to it. You are made to feel a nuisance when you ask for medication for your father who had a stroke and couldn't speak for himself and they just seem to want to hang around the desk chatting with every intrusion to their gossip raising their eyebrows. Some like the ones in HDU's and childrens wards are brilliant and complete angels , others in aged or orthopedic wards are ageist lazy and rude., er, I mean troll I never called them tossers or
s though despite them nearly killing my wife and firstborn and neglecting my 80yr old fathermark69sheer said:
hornetrider said:
Don't rise to the , er, I mean troll
People driving white vans never nearly killed my wife or firstborn or starved my grandmother. Neither did they neglect and abuse my wife during her stay in hospital and force her to walk on broken feet that had been undiagnosed after a head on crash to try and claim her bed. Nurses I have spoke to in hospitals have a chip and are lazy and even distributing tablets or changing dressings when instructed to by a consultant on his rounds can take three or more days while they rot until the nurses can get round to it. You are made to feel a nuisance when you ask for medication for your father who had a stroke and couldn't speak for himself and they just seem to want to hang around the desk chatting with every intrusion to their gossip raising their eyebrows. Some like the ones in HDU's and childrens wards are brilliant and complete angels , others in aged or orthopedic wards are ageist lazy and rude., er, I mean troll I never called them tossers or
s though despite them nearly killing my wife and firstborn and neglecting my 80yr old fatherAnd then thought that the common denominator may actually be the problem and not everyone else?
eccles said:
mark69sheer said:
hornetrider said:
Don't rise to the , er, I mean troll
People driving white vans never nearly killed my wife or firstborn or starved my grandmother. Neither did they neglect and abuse my wife during her stay in hospital and force her to walk on broken feet that had been undiagnosed after a head on crash to try and claim her bed. Nurses I have spoke to in hospitals have a chip and are lazy and even distributing tablets or changing dressings when instructed to by a consultant on his rounds can take three or more days while they rot until the nurses can get round to it. You are made to feel a nuisance when you ask for medication for your father who had a stroke and couldn't speak for himself and they just seem to want to hang around the desk chatting with every intrusion to their gossip raising their eyebrows. Some like the ones in HDU's and childrens wards are brilliant and complete angels , others in aged or orthopedic wards are ageist lazy and rude., er, I mean troll I never called them tossers or
s though despite them nearly killing my wife and firstborn and neglecting my 80yr old fathersimple.
Your dismissing of a near fatality of both my wife and firstborn due to negligence as simply a run in
is a poor show.
Shame.
mark69sheer said:
eccles said:
mark69sheer said:
hornetrider said:
Don't rise to the , er, I mean troll
People driving white vans never nearly killed my wife or firstborn or starved my grandmother. Neither did they neglect and abuse my wife during her stay in hospital and force her to walk on broken feet that had been undiagnosed after a head on crash to try and claim her bed. Nurses I have spoke to in hospitals have a chip and are lazy and even distributing tablets or changing dressings when instructed to by a consultant on his rounds can take three or more days while they rot until the nurses can get round to it. You are made to feel a nuisance when you ask for medication for your father who had a stroke and couldn't speak for himself and they just seem to want to hang around the desk chatting with every intrusion to their gossip raising their eyebrows. Some like the ones in HDU's and childrens wards are brilliant and complete angels , others in aged or orthopedic wards are ageist lazy and rude., er, I mean troll I never called them tossers or
s though despite them nearly killing my wife and firstborn and neglecting my 80yr old fathersimple.
Your dismissing of a near fatality of both my wife and firstborn due to negligence as simply a run in
is a poor show.
Shame.
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