AGW Consensus now dead
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gopher

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5,160 posts

288 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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December 11, 2008: "More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claim"

POZNAN, Poland -"The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grow louder in 2008 as a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data and inconvenient developments challenged the UN and former Vice President Al Gore's claims that the "science is settled" and there is a "consensus."

Read the whole Senate report.

(from http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/)

This on a day when our beloved leaders are meeting to discuss how to screw us further with plant food gas tax, I think I'll send a copy of this and the NIPCC report to my MP and ask if I can have my tax back.


groucho

12,134 posts

275 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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I would.

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

223 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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THANK FRICKIN GOD!!!!!!

that is all biggrin

Edited by Spiritual_Beggar on Friday 12th December 15:34

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

238 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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woohoo

I look forward to the revolt when the masses realise that our leaders have been blatantly lying the fookin arses off to us for years and have caused financial and commercial pain for us all.


kambites

71,446 posts

250 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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650 really isn't very many...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Report said:
“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that
triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A
large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid
vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased,
and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,”

Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.
Surprise, surprise...

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

238 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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shout

TURBOBLOKE!!

your thread has arrived!

Diderot

9,602 posts

221 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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kambites said:
650 really isn't very many...
It may well prove to be critical mass.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

312 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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kambites said:
650 really isn't very many...
Science is not (contrary to the eco loons mentality) a popularity contest.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

238 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Diderot said:
kambites said:
650 really isn't very many...
It may well prove to be critical mass.
From small acorns..

It's a bloody good start the 650 scientists have risked their reputations and future funding to stand up against the party line.

clap to them!!

scorp

8,783 posts

258 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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tank slapper said:
kambites said:
650 really isn't very many...
Science is not (contrary to the eco loons mentality) a popularity contest.
But politics are... frown

Edited by scorp on Friday 12th December 16:52

Diderot

9,602 posts

221 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Jesus guys, just been reading the first 15 pages or so. This is explosive - I'm pretty much speechless (and that is saying something believe me). The fact that it is an official US govt document and in the public domain is I think monumentally significant. The assertions and accusations (of organised fraudulent activity) will no doubt trigger legal action.

Unbelievable that's it's all finally out in the open. Let's hope the worm has finally begun to turn.


scorp

8,783 posts

258 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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Diderot said:
Jesus guys, just been reading the first 15 pages or so. This is explosive - I'm pretty much speechless (and that is saying something believe me). The fact that it is an official US govt document and in the public domain is I think monumentally significant. The assertions and accusations (of organised fraudulent activity) will no doubt trigger legal action.

Unbelievable that's it's all finally out in the open. Let's hope the worm has finally begun to turn.

hehe Do you think our politicians will admit they're wrong ?

That would be suicide, they will just shout louder and louder before admitting they are wrong. I don't hate many things but boy do i fking hate politicians.

robinhood21

31,111 posts

261 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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At last, a small ray of sunshine falls on an acorn of truth. Hopefully, an Oak tree will grow.

Gruffy

7,212 posts

288 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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scorp said:
tank slapper said:
kambites said:
650 really isn't very many...
Science is not (contrary to the eco loons mentality) a popularity contest.
But politics are... frown
Very well put.

Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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kambites said:
650 really isn't very many...
Brilliant
laugh

Gruffy

7,212 posts

288 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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A few cherries from the opening pages:

Nobel Prize Winner for Physics Ivar Giaever said:
I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.
Award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr Kiminori Itoh said:
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.
Atmospheric physicist James A Peden said:
Many (scientists) are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.
Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal and founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group said:
Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.
Dr Takeda Kunihiko vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan said:
CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.

FNG

4,736 posts

253 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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This is the truth of it:

Dr Takeda Kunihiko vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan said:
Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.
And, of course, keeps the tax rolling in.

turbobloke

117,129 posts

289 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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RIP False Consensus. Died some time ago, but the obituary described here is welcome.

However, the politicisation accurately described in posts is alive and well and the battle goes on.

Blib

48,028 posts

226 months

Friday 12th December 2008
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As I read this thread, Mr Brown is on TV in the other room talking about ' a global concensus' on climate change.

What hop eis there for the 650?

frown