Welfare State = Wellpaid State
Poll: Welfare State = Wellpaid State
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Official figures show 140,000 households receive more than £20k each year in benefits while about 70,000 receive more than £25k and around 20,000 receive more than £30k
The minimum wage is well below the lowest of these, iirc it depends on age but if we take £5.73 / hr this is £230 for a 40 hr week which is about £11k per year.
This thread isn't directed at those who cannot work, but those who choose not to.
So...what can be done to encourage the workshy to leave the sofa and work?
Multiple answers are enabled but if none of these options represent your preferred option, give alternatives.
How should benefits be paid?
The minimum wage is well below the lowest of these, iirc it depends on age but if we take £5.73 / hr this is £230 for a 40 hr week which is about £11k per year.
This thread isn't directed at those who cannot work, but those who choose not to.
So...what can be done to encourage the workshy to leave the sofa and work?
Multiple answers are enabled but if none of these options represent your preferred option, give alternatives.
How should benefits be paid?
Been reading the Daily Mail?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1102386/Bo...
I am afraid, I take anything they print in that paper with a massive pinch of salt...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1102386/Bo...
I am afraid, I take anything they print in that paper with a massive pinch of salt...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but were benefit payment not linked to the amount you had earned initially? This was to take into consideration the extra NI you paid as well as your possibly increased outgoings.
If you've never got a job your unlikely to have very many outgoings, therefore you should get enough to live.
If you've never got a job your unlikely to have very many outgoings, therefore you should get enough to live.
Vouchers would be too complicated, at least let people decide how they want to spend their benefits .. if you want to spend it all on cheap cider then so be it .. do you want the the state to decide? Problem is the benefits are way too generous - get into a spot of unemployment and it's a measly £60 a week, yet spend a lifetime on benefits and you can make a decent living - now that's wrong.
Benefits for people who genuinely cant work. But Give a portion is food credit etc. So its not all cash.
Anyone else needs to be taking any job they are offered regardless of salary. Cap benefits to £15k/year max. If there job gives them £10k/year then benefits give them £5k/year. As above, all benefits 50/50 with credits and cash.
If you don't take the job, your free money stopped for 1 month. You'll be offered something else in the month.
You are unemployed, its not my fault you don't want to stack shelf's. If its work, take it. I know if I was in that position, I wouldn't take the free money, I'd get a job, any job, to give me a income.
Anyone else needs to be taking any job they are offered regardless of salary. Cap benefits to £15k/year max. If there job gives them £10k/year then benefits give them £5k/year. As above, all benefits 50/50 with credits and cash.
If you don't take the job, your free money stopped for 1 month. You'll be offered something else in the month.
You are unemployed, its not my fault you don't want to stack shelf's. If its work, take it. I know if I was in that position, I wouldn't take the free money, I'd get a job, any job, to give me a income.
oyster said:
How would you deal with the single mother who has 2 pre-school children?
She may be able to go out and earn £15K a year but her childcare will cost almost all of that. What does she live on?
PS. I'm not defending the benefits culture, just stating that it's not all black and white.
How come she is a single mother? Virgin birth and no family or access to contraception?She may be able to go out and earn £15K a year but her childcare will cost almost all of that. What does she live on?
PS. I'm not defending the benefits culture, just stating that it's not all black and white.
If you remove the welfare state you will see a change in people's behaviour.
The study, Does Welfare Reform Affect Fertility?, looks at the impact on the birth rate in the UK caused by reform of child benefits launched by Labour.
It says that the introduction of Working Families Tax Credit and an increase in Income Support between 1999 and 2003 triggered a rise in taxpayer spending on children "unprecedented" in the previous 30 years.
Because the reforms were targeted at the poorest families with children, the value of their state handouts increased by 10 per cent of their total household income.
For couples who both left school at 16, the reforms meant an increase in benefits of 45 per cent, from £39 a week to £56.76. This is a rise almost twice as much as the handouts for which a couple who went on to sixth form college would be eligible, which increased by 25 per cent to £37.27 a week.
The researchers then looked at fertility rates both before the reforms were announced and after, for a sample of 101,330 women aged between 20 and 45.
They found a large increase in the first year after the benefits were made more generous, particularly among women who had left school as soon as possible.
The results show a 15 per cent increase in the probability of having a baby in the "low education group", equivalent to an extra 45,000 births compared with 670,000 across Britain as a whole.
Overall there has been a steady rise in the birth rate since 2001, and although some of this is down to higher fertility among immigrants, even among women born in the UK it has risen from 1.68 births per woman in 2004 to 1.79 last year.
In addition, analysis of household surveys found large numbers of poorly-educated women who said they were not using contraception because they
wanted to have children.
The study, led by Sarah Smith of the Centre for Market and Public Organisation at Bristol University, is published in the autumn issue of the journal Research in Public Policy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
Edited by Fittster on Monday 29th December 09:36
Badgerboy said:
Fittster said:
Where is the option to scrap the welfare state?
If that were to happen, the country would tear itself to bits. It's probably the only thing that would get scroungers off their sofas and rioting.oyster said:
How would you deal with the single mother who has 2 pre-school children?
She may be able to go out and earn £15K a year but her childcare will cost almost all of that. What does she live on?
PS. I'm not defending the benefits culture, just stating that it's not all black and white.
Benefits are still available to those working up to 16 hours a week - and that's another source of abuse in the system - when those kids become independent (or reach that age) many choose to carry on working 16 hours a week .. funny that. Someone on LBC suggested that they find employment in a nursery - two birds with one stone i suppose.She may be able to go out and earn £15K a year but her childcare will cost almost all of that. What does she live on?
PS. I'm not defending the benefits culture, just stating that it's not all black and white.
Edited by fido on Monday 29th December 09:35
Fittster said:
Badgerboy said:
Fittster said:
Where is the option to scrap the welfare state?
If that were to happen, the country would tear itself to bits. It's probably the only thing that would get scroungers off their sofas and rioting.Fittster said:
Badgerboy said:
Fittster said:
Where is the option to scrap the welfare state?
If that were to happen, the country would tear itself to bits. It's probably the only thing that would get scroungers off their sofas and rioting.Badgerboy said:
Fittster said:
Badgerboy said:
Fittster said:
Where is the option to scrap the welfare state?
If that were to happen, the country would tear itself to bits. It's probably the only thing that would get scroungers off their sofas and rioting.An alternative viewpoint, not necesarily mine.
funk odyssey said:
Fittster said:
Badgerboy said:
Fittster said:
Where is the option to scrap the welfare state?
If that were to happen, the country would tear itself to bits. It's probably the only thing that would get scroungers off their sofas and rioting."The irony is that absence from work doesn’t improve these conditions. Poor working conditions lead to poor health, not work itself. Paradoxically, unemployment is progressively damaging, leading to more sickness, mental illness, disability, increased use of medication, higher hospital admission rates and shorter life expectancy. Suicide rates are 35 times higher among the long-term unemployed than among those in employment"
Speech by the Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP, Secretary of State for Health, 20th February 2008:
Fittster said:
oyster said:
How would you deal with the single mother who has 2 pre-school children?
She may be able to go out and earn £15K a year but her childcare will cost almost all of that. What does she live on?
PS. I'm not defending the benefits culture, just stating that it's not all black and white.
How come she is a single mother? Virgin birth and no family or access to contraception?She may be able to go out and earn £15K a year but her childcare will cost almost all of that. What does she live on?
PS. I'm not defending the benefits culture, just stating that it's not all black and white.
I can't believe you fall for that Daily Mail crap that all single mothers must be on the take.
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