Recruitment agencies, one down from estate agents?
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I am currently looking for a new job and I am inevatibly speaking to lots of recruitment agencies. The agencies are really starting to annoy me, they constantly lie or not tell the full truth about the details of the roles they are recruiting for and the wages for the advertised jobs always end up being 10-15k lower when you actually speak to them on the phone.
Anybody got any tips for dealing with these people? It seems nearly all jobs end up going through these muppets so you don't have a right lot of choice other than deal with it.
Anybody got any tips for dealing with these people? It seems nearly all jobs end up going through these muppets so you don't have a right lot of choice other than deal with it.
Bunch of cock noses the lot of em. I went to one looking for a job in photography/graphic design. The guy i dealt with constantly said i'd be perfect in sales and arranged loads of interviews for salesmen jobs despite me saying i wasnt interested. he was just trying to get his commission. I eventually started ignoring his calls and found my job myself. Useless big knottedtie wearing, shiny shoe twits.
Here we go again
Blah blah blah scum of the earth etc etc....
Like any profession, there are good and bad ones. Some are pathlogical liars when the truth is easier. Some are very good and can access useful inside information on companies which can really help you.
1. Be straight with them, be as specific as you can be about what you are looking for.
2. Be polite, if they phone you with a possible job, it may not be right, but they may have something else today or tomorrow so don't come over as a c*ck.
3. Like many service businesses times are hard.
4. Don't say you will do something and then not do it "unreliable" is the worst tag to get as a candidate.
yes some are arses, but most are actually trying to deliver a service (which you as a candidate get for free)
12 years in recruitment & a big pink tie with a full windsor knot in today
Blah blah blah scum of the earth etc etc....
Like any profession, there are good and bad ones. Some are pathlogical liars when the truth is easier. Some are very good and can access useful inside information on companies which can really help you.
1. Be straight with them, be as specific as you can be about what you are looking for.
2. Be polite, if they phone you with a possible job, it may not be right, but they may have something else today or tomorrow so don't come over as a c*ck.
3. Like many service businesses times are hard.
4. Don't say you will do something and then not do it "unreliable" is the worst tag to get as a candidate.
yes some are arses, but most are actually trying to deliver a service (which you as a candidate get for free)
12 years in recruitment & a big pink tie with a full windsor knot in today
Edited by Gargamel on Tuesday 13th January 10:15
salsoul said:
I am currently looking for a new job and I am inevatibly speaking to lots of recruitment agencies. The agencies are really starting to annoy me, they constantly lie or not tell the full truth about the details of the roles they are recruiting for and the wages for the advertised jobs always end up being 10-15k lower when you actually speak to them on the phone.
Anybody got any tips for dealing with these people? It seems nearly all jobs end up going through these muppets so you don't have a right lot of choice other than deal with it.
Nothing like a sweeping generalisation, cheeky burger!Anybody got any tips for dealing with these people? It seems nearly all jobs end up going through these muppets so you don't have a right lot of choice other than deal with it.
Do you have a pastel pink tie worn with a black shirt?
Sorry, that was silly. Agreed the one i used started out ok, and i actually got some good job offers, just not in the field i wanted. Then he started getting desperate i think and tried sending me on all manner of jobs. The strangest was an interview at a car auction driving the cars through the auction house on sales day. Very odd.
Sorry, that was silly. Agreed the one i used started out ok, and i actually got some good job offers, just not in the field i wanted. Then he started getting desperate i think and tried sending me on all manner of jobs. The strangest was an interview at a car auction driving the cars through the auction house on sales day. Very odd.
On my most recent experience I'd say they were inconsiderate, none calling back scumbags of the highest order. However, I have had two, that were top, top chaps, kept to their word about getting back to me and so on.
One thing I cannot stand, and makes everything inside me boil, is when they say they'll call you back at a specific time and don't, over and over again, kind of annoying when you're trying to plan your life, utter, utter twunts.
One thing I cannot stand, and makes everything inside me boil, is when they say they'll call you back at a specific time and don't, over and over again, kind of annoying when you're trying to plan your life, utter, utter twunts.
AndyKH said:
Do you have a pastel pink tie worn with a black shirt?
Sorry, that was silly. Agreed the one i used started out ok, and i actually got some good job offers, just not in the field i wanted. Then he started getting desperate i think and tried sending me on all manner of jobs. The strangest was an interview at a car auction driving the cars through the auction house on sales day. Very odd.
Tend to avoid wearing tie's if I can help it. Sorry, that was silly. Agreed the one i used started out ok, and i actually got some good job offers, just not in the field i wanted. Then he started getting desperate i think and tried sending me on all manner of jobs. The strangest was an interview at a car auction driving the cars through the auction house on sales day. Very odd.
Been working in IT recruitment for the last 10 years, but we are not "sales" focussed i.e. no targets etc. which is just as well as I would make a useless sales person.
Unfortunately the industry as a whole does have a bad name, which is a shame as there are many good recruitment agents around, but also some pretty dire ones.
Thankfully recessions (we had one in the IT industry early 2001 for a couple of years) tend to wipe out a lot of the naff agents who don't have the knowledge, experience and client relationships required to sit out the gloomy periods.
As per above - there are good and bad ones.
As I climb the career ladder, I'm in a lucky position where I only need to talk to headhunters - by and large these people know their industry and in fact some are frighteningly knowledgeable. Many left IT to work as recruiters - these generally make good examples.
As I climb the career ladder, I'm in a lucky position where I only need to talk to headhunters - by and large these people know their industry and in fact some are frighteningly knowledgeable. Many left IT to work as recruiters - these generally make good examples.
Gargamel said:
Here we go again
Blah blah blah scum of the earth etc etc....
Like any profession, there are good and bad ones. Some are pathlogical liars when the truth is easier. Some are very good and can access useful inside information on companies which can really help you.
1. Be straight with them, be as specific as you can be about what you are looking for.
2. Be polite, if they phone you with a possible job, it may not be right, but they may have something else today or tomorrow so don't come over as a c*ck.
3. Like many service businesses times are hard.
4. Don't say you will do something and then not do it "unreliable" is the worst tag to get as a candidate.
yes some are arses, but most are actually trying to deliver a service (which you as a candidate get for free)
12 years in recruitment & a big pink tie with a full windsor knot in today
Quite right, you get the good and the bad. The great majority in my opinion are not of the 'good' variety.Blah blah blah scum of the earth etc etc....
Like any profession, there are good and bad ones. Some are pathlogical liars when the truth is easier. Some are very good and can access useful inside information on companies which can really help you.
1. Be straight with them, be as specific as you can be about what you are looking for.
2. Be polite, if they phone you with a possible job, it may not be right, but they may have something else today or tomorrow so don't come over as a c*ck.
3. Like many service businesses times are hard.
4. Don't say you will do something and then not do it "unreliable" is the worst tag to get as a candidate.
yes some are arses, but most are actually trying to deliver a service (which you as a candidate get for free)
12 years in recruitment & a big pink tie with a full windsor knot in today
Edited by Gargamel on Tuesday 13th January 10:15
1)Be straight with them? Be straight with me, I will be straight with you. If you are not, I won't be. I can easily tell, and I am good at it. :-)
eg1.
-Have you got another interview in the near future?
--Yes, but although I have the interview my chances are fairly low as it is a senior position. I would much rather interview for this one.
-**CV in the bin**
eg2.
-What is your rate?
--Depends on the job, duration, and location.
-But I need to know! [so I can increase my pimp fee as much as I can]
--Better send me a JD with the information above then.
eg3.
-How much do you charge the client on top of my rate?
--Well.... [a lot of crap ensues]
2)Agreed, polite works both ways. ie, don't try and waste my time to fish for contacts...
3)And?
4)The same goes for recruitment bods no? The most unreliable bunch I have ever been unfortunate enough to work with, one step ahead of dealership servicing in my eyes. I do my own recruitment nowadays.
Service for free? Who are you kidding? You deliver 1% value and command 20-30% in return, most of the time you have not got a clue about the skills people have unless they are explicitly mentioned in jds/cvs.
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