So would you want to win the next general election ?
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Been a few debates about this, but I have to say that I am pretty confident that Labour will not get in again and that the Conservatives will. Will that be Dave? Don't know, but certainly I see that some of the New Labour voters have lost faith.
A good friend of mine is a classic example of the person who kept Labour in power. Voted for the supposed equality and fairness pitch but were successful middle-class professionals. He has voted for Labour for several elections now and WAS a very strong supporter. However, he has lost the 'faith' in Gordo and his gang. He has openly said that he wont and cannot vote for Labour again due to their behaviour recently.
I am enthused and pleased with this turn of events as I am sure there are lots and lots of the New Labour 'faithful' who have and will continue to desert their ranks. As the recession bites, more and more will desert them and their chances of getting in again are thankfully impossible.
I am happy to eat my hat if I am wrong, but I dont think so.
A good friend of mine is a classic example of the person who kept Labour in power. Voted for the supposed equality and fairness pitch but were successful middle-class professionals. He has voted for Labour for several elections now and WAS a very strong supporter. However, he has lost the 'faith' in Gordo and his gang. He has openly said that he wont and cannot vote for Labour again due to their behaviour recently.
I am enthused and pleased with this turn of events as I am sure there are lots and lots of the New Labour 'faithful' who have and will continue to desert their ranks. As the recession bites, more and more will desert them and their chances of getting in again are thankfully impossible.
I am happy to eat my hat if I am wrong, but I dont think so.
off_again said:
Been a few debates about this, but I have to say that I am pretty confident that Labour will not get in again and that the Conservatives will. Will that be Dave? Don't know, but certainly I see that some of the New Labour voters have lost faith.
It'll be me. Think, male, Scottish, Mrs Thatcher. off_again said:
Been a few debates about this, but I have to say that I am pretty confident that Labour will not get in again and that the Conservatives will.
In many other countries, I would agree, but in this one, I'm not so sure, simply because of the way in which our election process runs.In theory, it's simple. One party just has to win the majority of the constituencies and they form the government. In practice, however, the constituency boundaries as they stand are overwhelmingly in favour of a Labour victory. On average, safe Labour seats have something like 5,000 fewer voters than safe Conservative seats, plus the mix of voters in most of Labour's urban constituencies is more fluid than that in many of the Conservative rural constituencies.
What all of this means is that for the Conservatives to take any sort of majority and form a government, they need something like 9% more of the national vote than Labour would to be in the same position.
Thus, Labour can screw up much more than the Conservatives, and still get elected.
Many of us knew the last election would be a good one to lose, because it was clear the old Bottler had shafted the economy, even though those who measured a government's success by their notional house price had not yet realised and that the sheer debt the country had accumulated for decades to come was hidden. However, now that the damage done by Labour is obvious to all, we need the cavalry. Traditionally after a spell of Labour government, it's down to the Conservatives to drag us back up again, so yes, I want the Conservatives back.
If you could motivate the 'English' to vote then a landslide could easily be had.
There are many in Britain that are very angry with the way the country is run but generally accept it because they cannot see an alternative.
I talk to people regularly about this and the following things come through again and again:-
1) an end to uncontrolled immigration
2) an end to the welfare state that pays more to stay at home than work
3) punishment to fit the crime and the judicial system to enforce it
4) a return of common sense (if you want to go up a ladder to change a bulb you shouldn't be forced to use a scaffold)
and it seems to be pretty much in that order.
There are many in Britain that are very angry with the way the country is run but generally accept it because they cannot see an alternative.
I talk to people regularly about this and the following things come through again and again:-
1) an end to uncontrolled immigration
2) an end to the welfare state that pays more to stay at home than work
3) punishment to fit the crime and the judicial system to enforce it
4) a return of common sense (if you want to go up a ladder to change a bulb you shouldn't be forced to use a scaffold)
and it seems to be pretty much in that order.
AJS- said:
I reckon the hung parliament thing is a bit of a red herring, drummed up by the BBC in their left wing dreams. Labour are f
ked.
Do not underestimate the British Public. The average Joe, will probably vote on a single issue. Look at the Glenrothes By Election - vote for me and I'll abolish the bridge toll. Hey presto. ked.Ironically I'm led to believe a few years back Brown signed off the building of toll booths that cost 20 million or so.
I would want to win the next general election even if it was just for the expenses.
Just a quick point with regards to the international monetary fund... they are very much out of their depth and are no longer a usable tool. according to my Iranian business lecturer (who is a doctor of business!) between Britain and America very nearly 3 trillion dollars have been shoveled into the economy. The international monetary fund has 200 billion dollars at their disposal then they are broke.
I have no sources to back this up. it is apparently one of the lesser talked about issues as it worries people
people think the IMF is a super rich bank... in the real world its just a drop in the ocean...worrying stuff
Just a quick point with regards to the international monetary fund... they are very much out of their depth and are no longer a usable tool. according to my Iranian business lecturer (who is a doctor of business!) between Britain and America very nearly 3 trillion dollars have been shoveled into the economy. The international monetary fund has 200 billion dollars at their disposal then they are broke.
I have no sources to back this up. it is apparently one of the lesser talked about issues as it worries people
people think the IMF is a super rich bank... in the real world its just a drop in the ocean...worrying stuff
typerob said:
people think the IMF is a super rich bank... in the real world its just a drop in the ocean...worrying stuff
It doesn't worry me much. No government has enough to prop up the economy for very long and it's a bad idea even if they could. Ultimately the recession has to run it's course with bankruptcies and redundancies, then growth wil resume once the dead wood is cut out, and resources find a more productive use.Edited by AJS- on Wednesday 11th February 10:26
It depends on the reasons for going into politics in the first place I suppose....if it's to help people and be altruistic then I suppose now is the time to want to be in charge and sort things out..however if the reason is to get on the gravy train and have a cushy few years I guess now would not be the best time...
A hung parliament has been political commentators' (and the Liberals') wet dream since at least 1992. I can't see it ever happening. UK elections tend to reflect popular mood swings. Despite Labour's win, the 2005 election was good evidence of this, with a massive swing against Labour, but sadly not massive enough and with too many idiots voting Liberal because they couldnt' yet bring themselves to vote Tory. The Liberals are a busted flush now (yes, I know they have taken foru points off Labour according to the most recent polls).
It may not be a good time for the Tory party to win power, but for the future of the country it is essential that they do.
The government's finances are shot, hard choices need to be made on both taxes and spending. If Labour remains in power they will destroy what is left of the productive part of the economy trying to maintain spending on their client state.
The government's finances are shot, hard choices need to be made on both taxes and spending. If Labour remains in power they will destroy what is left of the productive part of the economy trying to maintain spending on their client state.
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