BT say they can have dogs that bite people put down
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Talking to a telephone engineer this morning who asked me, when I gave him directions to my house, and told him about the electric gates, if there were any dogs loose. I replied that there were, but that they were small and inclined to bark a bit, but that they never attacked anything bigger than themselves.
He replied that BT had had quite a bit of trouble with dogs recenetly, and that if one of their engineers did get attacked by a dog that they had the authority (presumably through the courts) to have said dog destroyed.
Now I personally don't have any dogs, so don't have a position on this, but I know there are a few dog owners here so I thought I would bring this to their attention, and provide an opportunity to discuss the fate of man-biting dogs generally.
I have heard people say that there are no bad dogs, only bad owners, but it's the dogs that do the actual biting, and there doesn't seem to be any strong legal remedies against bad owners other than the dogs being taken from them.
He replied that BT had had quite a bit of trouble with dogs recenetly, and that if one of their engineers did get attacked by a dog that they had the authority (presumably through the courts) to have said dog destroyed.
Now I personally don't have any dogs, so don't have a position on this, but I know there are a few dog owners here so I thought I would bring this to their attention, and provide an opportunity to discuss the fate of man-biting dogs generally.
I have heard people say that there are no bad dogs, only bad owners, but it's the dogs that do the actual biting, and there doesn't seem to be any strong legal remedies against bad owners other than the dogs being taken from them.
Edited by singlecoil on Wednesday 28th January 09:31
If a dog bites someone it is, without doubt, the owner's fault. The dog was not trained properly.
However. By the time the dog has bitten it is generally too late to salvage the dog. Perhaps not impossible - but generally.
The bitten party, I believe, can make a complaint that will likely lead to the enforced destruction of the dog for this reason.
Bad for the dog. And the fault lies with the owner. Exclusively.
My dogs were never allowed to remain "nippy" beyond young puppyhood.
However. By the time the dog has bitten it is generally too late to salvage the dog. Perhaps not impossible - but generally.
The bitten party, I believe, can make a complaint that will likely lead to the enforced destruction of the dog for this reason.
Bad for the dog. And the fault lies with the owner. Exclusively.
My dogs were never allowed to remain "nippy" beyond young puppyhood.
I'm just really confused......
'when asked if there were any dogs loose, you replied yes' Then further on in the post you said 'Now I personally don't have any dogs, so I don't have a position on this'
Either way, any person bitten by a dog ahs a right to press charges against the owner, this can lead to the dog being put down.
'when asked if there were any dogs loose, you replied yes' Then further on in the post you said 'Now I personally don't have any dogs, so I don't have a position on this'
Either way, any person bitten by a dog ahs a right to press charges against the owner, this can lead to the dog being put down.
beanbag said:
I always had the impression that any dog could be put down if it attacked and injured person without provocation.
Not just BT engineers!
That is my understanding as well. I think even Princess Anne had two of her dogs put down a few years ago after they had bitten someone in Regents Park. In her case I believe this was the second time the dogs had done this.Not just BT engineers!
Years ago working for the post office, I was bitten badly.
I wasn't the first person to get bitten at this address, but it was going to be difficult to obtain a destruction order, as it was a breeder, and she had several dogs running loose. In the end, she received one last letter, informing her that neither Royal mail letters, or parcels would deliver at her address. She had to go to the local sorting office to pick up her mail and parcels.
I wished I'd had a pound for every time someone said "oh he won't bite, he's not bitten anyone before" despite the dog straining to get at you. I tried to give as good as I got, and kicked several dogs that were attacking me. One got a whack over the head with a long thin parcel (I've no idea what was in it).
I don't think I would have wanted a dog to be put down, but I had to think twice as I was getting my arse stitched back together.
Irresponsible owners that's all.
I wasn't the first person to get bitten at this address, but it was going to be difficult to obtain a destruction order, as it was a breeder, and she had several dogs running loose. In the end, she received one last letter, informing her that neither Royal mail letters, or parcels would deliver at her address. She had to go to the local sorting office to pick up her mail and parcels.
I wished I'd had a pound for every time someone said "oh he won't bite, he's not bitten anyone before" despite the dog straining to get at you. I tried to give as good as I got, and kicked several dogs that were attacking me. One got a whack over the head with a long thin parcel (I've no idea what was in it).
I don't think I would have wanted a dog to be put down, but I had to think twice as I was getting my arse stitched back together.
Irresponsible owners that's all.
Of course this all depends on BT turing up in the first place.....
But as correctly stated above, any dog that attacks can be put to sleep unless there's fair warning such as one of those "guard dogs patrolling signs etc".
On a similar note, during a summer i spent working as a postie before going to uni, there was a massive rottweiler (sp?) that must have weighed 10 stone & was as friendly as anything, yet a small yappy terrier thing 4 doors down would always try to bite me (Until I relocated it into the hedge) so I'd agree that from my experience it's the owners, not the dog that are to blame for thei behaviour.
But as correctly stated above, any dog that attacks can be put to sleep unless there's fair warning such as one of those "guard dogs patrolling signs etc".
On a similar note, during a summer i spent working as a postie before going to uni, there was a massive rottweiler (sp?) that must have weighed 10 stone & was as friendly as anything, yet a small yappy terrier thing 4 doors down would always try to bite me (Until I relocated it into the hedge) so I'd agree that from my experience it's the owners, not the dog that are to blame for thei behaviour.
The dog could have died by then !Digga said:
Puggit said:
Superhoop said:
I'm just really confused......
'when asked if there were any dogs loose, you replied yes' Then further on in the post you said 'Now I personally don't have any dogs, so I don't have a position on this'
+1 !'when asked if there were any dogs loose, you replied yes' Then further on in the post you said 'Now I personally don't have any dogs, so I don't have a position on this'
freddytin said:
Digga said:
Puggit said:
Superhoop said:
I'm just really confused......
'when asked if there were any dogs loose, you replied yes' Then further on in the post you said 'Now I personally don't have any dogs, so I don't have a position on this'
+1 !'when asked if there were any dogs loose, you replied yes' Then further on in the post you said 'Now I personally don't have any dogs, so I don't have a position on this'
Don said:
If a dog bites someone it is, without doubt, the owner's fault. The dog was not trained properly.
However. By the time the dog has bitten it is generally too late to salvage the dog. Perhaps not impossible - but generally.
Bad for the dog. And the fault lies with the owner. Exclusively.
Our last dog was very gentle, but trained to be a good guard dog (i.e. bark at strangers). The rubbish cart used to come all of the way into our drive, and we kept our bins about 5 or 6 yards from the dog's enclosed run.However. By the time the dog has bitten it is generally too late to salvage the dog. Perhaps not impossible - but generally.
Bad for the dog. And the fault lies with the owner. Exclusively.
For months the dustman used to walk over and stick his hand over the top of the 6-foot chain link fence every week to wind the dog up and make him jump up.
One day the dog worked out how to get a purchase on the chain link and got hold of his arm. My Dad was about to leave for work, heard the commotion and leaned out the back door to see the dog dangling from this blokes arm, with the other two bin men trying to drag him back. A simple 'LEAVE' was enough for him to let go.
Who's fault was that? The Dog was doing his job and wasn't badly trained. The dustman didn't make a complaint (probably as he felt a bit stupid), but if he had done, what do you think would have happened?
i may be wrong, but if the dog bites on public land, i.e. the street etc then the police can seize and have the dog put down.
if its on your own land, then its a whole new kettle of fish, as then i think only a court order can force you to have the dog destroyed.
bt have no more powers than anyone else.
our postman complains because our one barks and she is closed in the living room. he left with a few choice words in his ear.
if its on your own land, then its a whole new kettle of fish, as then i think only a court order can force you to have the dog destroyed.
bt have no more powers than anyone else.
our postman complains because our one barks and she is closed in the living room. he left with a few choice words in his ear.
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