Discussion
I am in my mid 30's, so don't consider myself to be old, but have noticed something over the last few months, which suprises me.
First of all, a few months ago I went to a Christening of a friends baby. Held at the local Catholic church, and the majority of blokes were wearing suits, and smart shirts, but no ties. Ok, I accept that most of these said blokes were in their late 20's, and that they may have been dressed more for the party afterwards, than for the actual church service.
However, earlier this week, I attended the funeral of a friend, and found again, the majority of blokes were not wearing ties. This time, even those 60+ were sans tie.
Now, as I've said, I don't consider myself old, but have been brought up to believe that on formal occations such as weddings, christenings and funerals, a tie is a must.
I also conceed that a large number of companies are not as strict on the wearing of ties with suits at work these days, which again, I would never entertain, unless there is a health and safety reason, or a uniform which does not warrant the wearing of a tie (company polo shirts for instance).
If this is becoming a trend, why do we not hear of the tie industry suffering due to changes in fashion in the same way we hear about the nylon industry suffering due to women wearing trousers more than skirts.
So over to you, what are your thoughts on the wearing or otherwise of ties.
First of all, a few months ago I went to a Christening of a friends baby. Held at the local Catholic church, and the majority of blokes were wearing suits, and smart shirts, but no ties. Ok, I accept that most of these said blokes were in their late 20's, and that they may have been dressed more for the party afterwards, than for the actual church service.
However, earlier this week, I attended the funeral of a friend, and found again, the majority of blokes were not wearing ties. This time, even those 60+ were sans tie.
Now, as I've said, I don't consider myself old, but have been brought up to believe that on formal occations such as weddings, christenings and funerals, a tie is a must.
I also conceed that a large number of companies are not as strict on the wearing of ties with suits at work these days, which again, I would never entertain, unless there is a health and safety reason, or a uniform which does not warrant the wearing of a tie (company polo shirts for instance).
If this is becoming a trend, why do we not hear of the tie industry suffering due to changes in fashion in the same way we hear about the nylon industry suffering due to women wearing trousers more than skirts.
So over to you, what are your thoughts on the wearing or otherwise of ties.
I stopped wearing a tie about 5 years ago. Hasnt affected my business, although I was told (by mother) to wear one to my nieces christening.
These footballers wearing ties with knots the size of their wives implantys kinda killed the tie as far as smart workwear, and made it an Essex fashion statement.
These footballers wearing ties with knots the size of their wives implantys kinda killed the tie as far as smart workwear, and made it an Essex fashion statement.
Only the Wimps and w
kers take off their jackets and ties. Its a British institution. Keep them on and suffer. Its the only way. Even my bosses feel uneasy when they do it in my company. ( I have some pretty important bosses) I am but a scrubber mind...., but immaculatly dressed (unlike my spelling!)
kers take off their jackets and ties. Its a British institution. Keep them on and suffer. Its the only way. Even my bosses feel uneasy when they do it in my company. ( I have some pretty important bosses) I am but a scrubber mind...., but immaculatly dressed (unlike my spelling!)
ipwn said:
IMO, if you want to be taken seriously, wear a tie. Car salesman do the whole no tie thing imo.
OOOOOHHHHHH look...... another jibe at car salesmen, and the threads not even got the usual title of 'why are car salesmen all st/s/wkers etc. etc. etc.'!! Perhaps PH could start a clu-clux-clan style group against all car salesmen?? Seriously it does get a bit boring.... and no I'm not a salesman.FWIW I've never seen any main dealer car salesman not wearing a tie....except on the odd promotional weekend.
Well, I'd wear a tie to a funeral. Weddings and Christenings - only if I was forced to.
I think ties are old-hat and stuffy these days. I understand in certain professions it is still expected, but I think a lot of companies these days only ask people to wear ties because they're clinging to the past.
I think ties are old-hat and stuffy these days. I understand in certain professions it is still expected, but I think a lot of companies these days only ask people to wear ties because they're clinging to the past.
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Do you meet clients/have them in your office?I'm largely a believer in formal situations require formal dress however I do think its taken too far in some office environments.
I appreciate that there is an argument that suggests there is a link between casual dress and a casual attitude but there are some very smart companies (in intellectual terms) that are casual from Director to Cleaner.
anonymous said:
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And i think thats as it should be. If you go into a place of work and they are all dressed in open shirts, they are either all mugs or millionaires..... If it is the latter you should be in a tie; if the former then your about to unsettle them.... ergo... get what you want
matc said:
ipwn said:
IMO, if you want to be taken seriously, wear a tie. Car salesman do the whole no tie thing imo.
OOOOOHHHHHH look...... another jibe at car salesmen, and the threads not even got the usual title of 'why are car salesmen all st/s/wkers etc. etc. etc.'!! Perhaps PH could start a clu-clux-clan style group against all car salesmen?? Seriously it does get a bit boring.... and no I'm not a salesman.FWIW I've never seen any main dealer car salesman not wearing a tie....except on the odd promotional weekend.
In December 2007, I read that John Lewis reported a 17% increase in neck tie sales. This manifested itself in the south east (ie London) but gave a clue as to what was about to happen in the city environment as employees tried their best to weather the coming storm that, to them, seemed (was} inevitable.
In the mid 90s dotcoms took off and they tended to be quite casual is terms of dress code.
The banks and (especially) management consultancies decided to copy the trendy dotcoms, so they brought in dress down; polo shirts and slacks. I guess they were matching what a lot of their new clients wore.
Then in the mid-00s hedge funds were the trendy thing, so banks went back to smart: suits and ties. Most hedge funds based in Mayfair y'see.
The banks and (especially) management consultancies decided to copy the trendy dotcoms, so they brought in dress down; polo shirts and slacks. I guess they were matching what a lot of their new clients wore.
Then in the mid-00s hedge funds were the trendy thing, so banks went back to smart: suits and ties. Most hedge funds based in Mayfair y'see.
Edited by jnm23 on Thursday 29th January 01:15
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