New teaching rules?
Discussion
Hedders said:
The have to make sure that the teachers have had the right politics instilled in them in order to pass it on to the kids.
They already do that without the 'A' Level standard. A few days ago, an 'English' teacher told my nephew that MI5 trained Bin Laden... it was a PHSE class (a.k.a. social studies). beyond belief... elster said:
Engineer1 said:
As far as i know from being on a PGCE, the intention is to increase the qualification level of teachers, the PGCE will probably simply become a one year masters in education or similar.
So it isn't really a masters.A lot of teachers I work with are looking to do the MEd. which is a Masters. The PGCE carries 60 credits (1/3rd) towards a Masters.
As a teacher myself I think this is a silly move. There has been a general understanding in recent years that subject-knowledge is of decreasing importance whilst an ability to empathise, communicate and motivate children has become more important. The recently modified QTS standards have begun to reflect this too. By narrowing the entry-criteria into teaching the profession will do itself out of many very capable people; the best teachers are rarely the most academic, partly because the more expert someone is in their field the more difficult it becomes to empathise with (and therefore explain to) those who are novices. "The more I know the more I don't know..."
kusee pee said:
As a teacher myself I think this is a silly move. There has been a general understanding in recent years that subject-knowledge is of decreasing importance whilst an ability to empathise, communicate and motivate children has become more important. The recently modified QTS standards have begun to reflect this too. By narrowing the entry-criteria into teaching the profession will do itself out of many very capable people; the best teachers are rarely the most academic, partly because the more expert someone is in their field the more difficult it becomes to empathise with (and therefore explain to) those who are novices. "The more I know the more I don't know..."
What????So what your saying is it unimportant if you know sod all about the subject your teaching as long as you're able to put it across well and empathise?
FFS. I despair.
No... But some people who have spent 6 years going deep into the thinkings of hitler will make crap histroy teachers... whereas someone with a much broader but less inddepth knowldge will make a better teacher...
Its all about the person rather than what they know..
Afterall... most teachers just have to be able to read the textbook set by the examboard/school and teach that in an interesting way.... very little "knowledge" per-se required!
I would like to see schools accepting people with No degree... people who went out into the world and picked up real life skills in whatever proffesion they want to teach (be it engineering, ICT etc) A PGCE is a must, but why have a degree in the field when by passive learning you could be better....
Its all about the person rather than what they know..
Afterall... most teachers just have to be able to read the textbook set by the examboard/school and teach that in an interesting way.... very little "knowledge" per-se required!
I would like to see schools accepting people with No degree... people who went out into the world and picked up real life skills in whatever proffesion they want to teach (be it engineering, ICT etc) A PGCE is a must, but why have a degree in the field when by passive learning you could be better....
Edited by tegwin on Thursday 29th January 22:53
tegwin said:
No... But some people who have spent 6 years going deep into the thinkings of hitler will make crap histroy teachers... whereas someone with a much broader but less inddepth knowldge will make a better teacher...
Its all about the person rather than what they know..
Afterall... most teachers just have to be able to read the textbook set by the examboard/school and teach that in an interesting way.... very little "knowledge" per-se required!
Sorry but I have to take issue with that.Its all about the person rather than what they know..
Afterall... most teachers just have to be able to read the textbook set by the examboard/school and teach that in an interesting way.... very little "knowledge" per-se required!
The best teachers I had at school where the ones who knew their subject backwards.
They could get through the dross of the curriculum and then go that extra mile to show you lots of additional stuff that was far more interesting but not on any exam.
Hell if my physics teacher had stuck to teaching the curriculum only, however interestingly, I wouldn't have a career, as it was his personal computer that peeked my interest in the first place.
(The school didn't have any and computing in any shape or form wasn't on the curriculum)
cazzer said:
tegwin said:
No... But some people who have spent 6 years going deep into the thinkings of hitler will make crap histroy teachers... whereas someone with a much broader but less inddepth knowldge will make a better teacher...
Its all about the person rather than what they know..
Afterall... most teachers just have to be able to read the textbook set by the examboard/school and teach that in an interesting way.... very little "knowledge" per-se required!
Sorry but I have to take issue with that.Its all about the person rather than what they know..
Afterall... most teachers just have to be able to read the textbook set by the examboard/school and teach that in an interesting way.... very little "knowledge" per-se required!
The best teachers I had at school where the ones who knew their subject backwards.
They could get through the dross of the curriculum and then go that extra mile to show you lots of additional stuff that was far more interesting but not on any exam.
Hell if my physics teacher had stuck to teaching the curriculum only, however interestingly, I wouldn't have a career, as it was his personal computer that peeked my interest in the first place.
(The school didn't have any and computing in any shape or form wasn't on the curriculum)
cazzer said:
Must not deviate from the prescribed programme.
Is that not the big issue though? The emphasis IS on passing exams... not actually learning stuff...It scared the hell out of me the other day... I went into the local primary school... PRIMARY SCHOOL FFS and it had more computers and technology than NASA... Why cant young children enjoy life without needing computery stuff...... whats wrong with pots of paint... simple reading type books and interaction with other children.... Why on earth do they need rooms full of PCS
ks) said...I agree with you about the degree thing though...
I have, I'd like to think, a pretty broad spectrum of history knowledge. Because I'm interested in it and I enjoy learning about it.
I'd make a damn good history teacher too but I haven't got the financial backup to take a few years out to get a degree to become a history teacher.
Besides, I'd probably deviate from the party line when it comes to the "social aspects"
So I'm not neccesarily saying that all teachers should be educated to masters level, or even degree level, but they should really understand and have a passion for their subject.
If they don't know it well, and love it, how are they going to get that across to kids and answer questions that might stray from "the curriculum"?
I have, I'd like to think, a pretty broad spectrum of history knowledge. Because I'm interested in it and I enjoy learning about it.
I'd make a damn good history teacher too but I haven't got the financial backup to take a few years out to get a degree to become a history teacher.
Besides, I'd probably deviate from the party line when it comes to the "social aspects"
So I'm not neccesarily saying that all teachers should be educated to masters level, or even degree level, but they should really understand and have a passion for their subject.
If they don't know it well, and love it, how are they going to get that across to kids and answer questions that might stray from "the curriculum"?
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