Guaranteeing a win on the lottery
Guaranteeing a win on the lottery
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Lord Pikey

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3,257 posts

244 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Iv been pondering.

If you purchased all the possible combinations of the national lottery to guarantee that you would win with all 6 numbers. I believe it would cost you about 13,8m. Taking into account all the tenners from 3 numbers etc all the way up to the big 6. On a average week how much would you be + or - by?

or am i being a bit simple this afternoon?

Ps. this has come about because a few Italian colleagues are bunging 70€ a head on this weekends draw claiming that they have a system.

Cheers

Lord Pikey

Mattygooner

5,304 posts

233 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Lord Pikey said:
Iv been pondering.

If you purchased all the possible combinations of the national lottery to guarantee that you would win with all 6 numbers. I believe it would cost you about 13,8m. Taking into account all the tenners from 3 numbers etc all the way up to the big 6. On a average week how much would you be + or - by?

or am i being a bit simple this afternoon?

Ps. this has come about because a few Italian colleagues are bunging 70€ a head on this weekends draw claiming that they have a system.

Cheers

Lord Pikey
Does it involve loosing, then half way through the draw, giving up and joining the otherside?

If you had to aplit the jackpot, you would lose a lot of moneies.

jesta1865

3,453 posts

238 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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a group did it in Australia or NZ a few years back, but i think it would only pay if the 1st prize pot was above how much you needed to fork out, so they had to wait till there was a double or triple roll over or something like that.

randomman

2,215 posts

218 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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You would loose, lots. Even more if 10 other people had the big six with you.

How do you think the lottory managed to give £10 million to the lesbian arts council? Not by running a fair game!

Jasandjules

72,562 posts

258 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Then what happens if some other lucky fecker has your numbers as well and you have to split it!!

shirt

25,376 posts

230 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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LOSE!

Lord Pikey

Original Poster:

3,257 posts

244 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Jasandjules said:
Then what happens if some other lucky fecker has your numbers as well and you have to split it!!
I know, but surely some maths geek has worked out a minimum prize fund to make it worth the gamble.?

randomman

2,215 posts

218 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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You'd also need to pick your draws. Smaller draw means less chance of someone else winning, bigger draw = more money.

I know a bloke who matched 5 numbers (no bonus) on a wednesday draw and ended up 400 quid better for it!

Probably popped the champagne a little early.

Crusoe

4,122 posts

260 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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yes you could spend just less than 14million and cover all the numbers. You would then have added £14m into the prize fund too (less the percentage that goes to charity and costs) though I would assume unless it was a huge roll over that the fund would be shared with you not getting enough to cover your costs. This is probably why they only roll over so many times so that this option does not become viable.

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

228 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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In theory very possible to stitch up a huge profit on multiple roll overs once you account for all the small prizes totted up. The theory falls apart when you realise there is no way to limit the number of other big prize winners and the weighty big prizes would shrink leaving you out of pocket by a long way.

Sarkmeister

1,699 posts

247 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Also, how long would it take to fill out 14 million lottery tickets? You'd go through a lot of those little pens......

TedMaul

2,092 posts

242 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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And how would you buy the tickets? You couldn't do it using those silly booths in shops and an online account only allows you to transfer a maximum of £500 in one week (something like that) and it would take you weeks to type al the tickets in manually anyway....

kit80

4,764 posts

216 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Or not play and win a guareenteed £104 per year.

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

279 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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But would you not "Win" many 5 + bonus, 5, 4 and 3 number combinations, making yoru initial 13.8m outlay up?

Tony*T3

20,911 posts

276 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Lord Pikey said:
Iv been pondering.

If you purchased all the possible combinations of the national lottery to guarantee that you would win with all 6 numbers. I believe it would cost you about 13,8m. Taking into account all the tenners from 3 numbers etc all the way up to the big 6. On a average week how much would you be + or - by?

or am i being a bit simple this afternoon?

Ps. this has come about because a few Italian colleagues are bunging 70€ a head on this weekends draw claiming that they have a system.

Cheers

Lord Pikey
Your Italian friend has far longer odds of wining, 78 million to one I think, so would need to cover a whole lot more numbers....



Even if the UK Lotto rolled over to around £30 million quid, it would still be an unacceptable risk covering all the numbers - it only takes a pattern or few 'lucky' numbers to come out in the draw to see the main prize plummet. Remember a few years ago when 80 people won the jackpot? They got LESS money than the few people that had 5+bonus ball. All caused by the numbers creating a pattern on the ticket that you use to select the numebers.

Busamav

2,954 posts

237 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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I have often dreamt of this ..........

I would "risk " an entry that didnt consider combinations of more than 3 consecutive numbers. to limit the stake , and reduce the time required to fill out the coupons and stand in the queue placing them .

but I cant work out how much such an entry would be

chunkymonkey71

13,167 posts

227 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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randomman said:
You would loose, lots. Even more if 10 other people had the big six with you.

How do you think the lottory managed to give £10 million to the lesbian arts council? Not by running a fair game!
£10 million? Thats a lot of rugs to munch...

hehe

303Hound

96 posts

216 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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Sarkmeister said:
Also, how long would it take to fill out 14 million lottery tickets? You'd go through a lot of those little pens......
easy, you just ask for 14 million lucky dips! wink

Tony*T3

20,911 posts

276 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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TonyHetherington said:
But would you not "Win" many 5 + bonus, 5, 4 and 3 number combinations, making yoru initial 13.8m outlay up?
No. You would create loads of 5 + bonus combinations therefore driving the 5 + bonus prize fund (which is limited) down to virtually nothing.

Equally, the prize funds for 5 numbers and 4 numbers would be decimated.

The only guaanteed payout is the tenner for 3 numbers. You'd have tens of thousands of those combinations too, thus driving the overall prize fund (and the estimated Jackpot) down to virtually worthless numbers too.....

You can only win a percentage of the money paid in from ticket sales. You cannot win more than that. So if they sell 70 million tickets (including your 14 million pouds worth) they can only give away about 25% of that in prize money, no matter how many winners. So the prize fund would be around £18 million, and you'd have to share that with all the other winners.

Oakey

27,981 posts

245 months

Friday 30th January 2009
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303Hound said:
Sarkmeister said:
Also, how long would it take to fill out 14 million lottery tickets? You'd go through a lot of those little pens......
easy, you just ask for 14 million lucky dips! wink
you'd risk duplicates that way