Anyone know anything about deactivated guns?

[moleamol]

Another thread on here pointed to a site selling deactivated guns in the UK. I had a browse through because they have all sorts. Now one of the things I notice is that some of them are 'OLD SPEC' which seems to be a bit of a big deal. What's the reason for this? And how can this site sell a fully functioning current spec' M4?

[mickk]

What does dry fire mean?

[liner33]

The basically tightened the rules think it was '95 , you used to be able to have the moving parts still able to move and you could strip the weapon down the modern stuff tends to be welded solid as well as blocked or drilled barrel etc

[jeff m]

mickk said:

What does dry fire mean?

Pulling the trigger without a bullet/cartrige to stop the firing pin.
Detrimental to some firearms.

With regard to deacs it means the action works.

Edited by jeff m on Friday 30th January 19:53

[Hedders]

moleamol said:

And how can this site sell a fully functioning current spec' M4?

Maybe because they are legal to own in the States, but that would mean the gun never came into this country and it was just advertising it from somewhere they are legal to own. Why the hell would they do that? Now I am confused as well..

Edited..

Edited by Hedders on Friday 30th January 20:05

[mybrainhurts]

Currently under threat of ban in the UK.....

Following Tony's highly successful banning of handguns, which removed guns from our streets.. ..

[jeff m]

Hedders said:

moleamol said:

And how can this site sell a fully functioning current spec' M4?

Maybe because they are legal to own in the States. I am sure they would not ship it worldwide.

They are in Stockport...I think "fully functioning" means the action works, not fully functioning as in.......it will fire. They seem to sell only deacs.

[magpie215]

old spec is basically pre 1995 deacs

mainly applied to sub machine guns and automatic rifles these basically had all the moving parts either removed and destroyed of completely welded in place ie no moving parts or able to field strip now worth a premium to collectors

LMG's pistols and bolt action rifles remain pretty much as they were prior to 95 and on barrels slotted at least 3/4 there length and solid bar welded in, breach feed ramps cut, firing pins and breach faces milled of to 45 degrees, locking and slide lugs milled to remove strength, barrels pinned in place to prevent removal.

[Hedders]

jeff m said:

Hedders said:

moleamol said:

And how can this site sell a fully functioning current spec' M4?

Maybe because they are legal to own in the States. I am sure they would not ship it worldwide.

They are in Stockport...I think "fully functioning" means the action works, not fully functioning as in.......it will fire. They seem to sell only deacs.

Yeah, as per my edit i have rethunk it..i think i may have 'jumped the gun' ..

[superlightr]

magpie215 said:

old spec is basically pre 1995 deacs

mainly applied to sub machine guns and automatic rifles these basically had all the moving parts either removed and destroyed of completely welded in place ie no moving parts or able to field strip now worth a premium to collectors

LMG's pistols and bolt action rifles remain pretty much as they were prior to 95 and on barrels slotted at least 3/4 there length and solid bar welded in, breach feed ramps cut, firing pins and breach faces milled of to 45 degrees, locking and slide lugs milled to remove strength, barrels pinned in place to prevent removal.

I bought a Mk II deactivated Bren a number of years ago with fully moving parts. Has a deactivation cert. Paid £200. Collectable?

[Darkslider]

If the (old spec) are only de activated by having a blocked barrel and locked internals surely it shouldn't take much for a competent engineer to return them to service?

If this is the case I wouldn't be surprised if there's a thriving black market in 'deactivated' weapons purely for this purpose.

[magpie215]

superlightr said:

magpie215 said:

old spec is basically pre 1995 deacs

mainly applied to sub machine guns and automatic rifles these basically had all the moving parts either removed and destroyed of completely welded in place ie no moving parts or able to field strip now worth a premium to collectors

LMG's pistols and bolt action rifles remain pretty much as they were prior to 95 and on barrels slotted at least 3/4 there length and solid bar welded in, breach feed ramps cut, firing pins and breach faces milled of to 45 degrees, locking and slide lugs milled to remove strength, barrels pinned in place to prevent removal.

I bought a Mk II deactivated Bren a number of years ago with fully moving parts. Has a deactivation cert. Paid £200. Collectable?

There are thousands of mk 2 brens about in deac and live forms as mentioned light machine guns were not really affected by the 1995 rules still a nice collectable piece the bren was very well liked by the troops in ww2 by all accounts.

[magpie215]

Darkslider said:

If the (old spec) are only de activated by having a blocked barrel and locked internals surely it shouldn't take much for a competent engineer to return them to service?

If this is the case I wouldn't be surprised if there's a thriving black market in 'deactivated' weapons purely for this purpose.

even early deacts are extensively butchered with particular attention to pressure bearing components.

If you have the tools and knowledge to reactivate a deactivated firearm then you have the capability to knock together a Sten gun . if you have ever seen or held a Sten you will understand what I mean.

The press would have you believe that 10 minutes with a few household tools will have you up and running with an uzi......not so

Getting hold of the ammo is then your next hurdle.

[BLUETHUNDER]

Old spec de-acts are worth a hell of a lot more than new spec.I'm now worth a fortune...............

[g_attrill]

Another thing, you can own some military-type weapons on a rifle certificate if they are the bolt-action type - I think some AR-15's can be bought like that.

[BLUETHUNDER]

g_attrill said:

Another thing, you can own some military-type weapons on a rifle certificate if they are the bolt-action type - I think some AR-15's can be bought like that.

A bit like this modded M4..............

[jshell]

For all things deac'd then check out: http://www.cybershooters.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?...

[spidermanUK]

If you are interested in the real thing, or need to equip your own private army, try this site http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/fr_mil-1.html

They also have deacs available at remarkably low prices http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/fr_shop-1.html for £125 you can buy an AK47 which is sure to scare the hell out of trick or treaters when they knock on your door (do bear in mind that you'll probably get quite a long sentence if you do that!)

You can also buy a battle tank, APC or some heavy artillery.....would look great parked on the front lawn!

[Fatboy]

Darkslider said:

If the (old spec) are only de activated by having a blocked barrel and locked internals surely it shouldn't take much for a competent engineer to return them to service?

If this is the case I wouldn't be surprised if there's a thriving black market in 'deactivated' weapons purely for this purpose.

I doubt anyone would bother - there is a thriving black market in perfectly active firearms...

[croyde]

spidermanUK said:

If you are interested in the real thing, or need to equip your own private army, try this site http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/fr_mil-1.html

They also have deacs available at remarkably low prices http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/fr_shop-1.html for £125 you can buy an AK47 which is sure to scare the hell out of trick or treaters when they knock on your door (do bear in mind that you'll probably get quite a long sentence if you do that!)

You can also buy a battle tank, APC or some heavy artillery.....would look great parked on the front lawn!

Jeez! that site is amazing and scary. I fancy a De Ac Rocket Launcher as it would be well useful in Sarf London.