Spacehip, the speed of light and headlights.
Spacehip, the speed of light and headlights.
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Bushmaster

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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You know the question already - a spaceship is travlling at almost the speed of light, see. I mean c. It turns on its headlights.

What does the spaceship captain see? A beam of light that is barely moving ahead of his craft, or a regular beam of light?

What does the headlight beam look like to alien sitting on a nearby planet?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Beams are invisinle in space as they need a medium in order to show up.

Gun_840

13,432 posts

247 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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I would think he would see a slowly moving beam of light, gradually moving away from his ship.

speedy_thrills

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272 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Will the returning lights wavelength even be in the visible spectrum? wink

fathomfive

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219 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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I sincerely hope you've not put the foglights on aswell!

Bushmaster

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Beams are invisinle in space as they need a medium in order to show up.
Good point. But this is on a regular space-route and there bits of space-diesel exhaust particulate floating about.

Ace-T

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284 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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fathomfive said:
I sincerely hope you've not put the foglights on aswell!
Oh god I hope not, or we would get Zarg and Zorg on hear moaning about how his lights dazzled them as they rounded Uranus.

Trace smile

Eric Mc

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294 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
Eric Mc said:
Beams are invisinle in space as they need a medium in order to show up.
Good point. But this is on a regular space-route and there bits of space-diesel exhaust particulate floating about.
Probably left by some clapped out Russkie piece of space junk.

thinfourth2

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233 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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The magic thing about the speed of light is it is a constant no matter who the observer is

So the guy in the space ship sees a beam of light traveling away from him at the speed of light

Where as a ET on a rock watching the beam of light come past him also sees the beam of light traveling at the speed of light


When you look into particle physics and some of the other nutty branches of physics, The bibles explanation for the universe existing is far more sensible and easy to understand.

Bushmaster

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
Where as a ET on a rock watching the beam of light come past him also sees the beam of light traveling at the speed of light
So ET sees the beam of light and the spaceship travelling at about the same speed?

Parsnip

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217 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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This is based on my guess work, but not any form of scientific fact (apart from the second bit), i would happily have someone prove me wrong.

He would see the lights normally - relative to his ship they are going at the speed of light. As for what it would look like from a planet watching him, it would be the same as looking at a light being switched on a large distance away, the light will be going quick enough that you don't see it "extending"

It is possible to have things travel faster than the speed of light - if a plane flys over your garden, its shadow will move quicker up a wall than on the ground - if the plane is going close to the speed of light, the shadow will being going faster than c. There are a few more examples of this, but they don't break the law of "nothing can be faster than light" because they cant be used to transmit information.

Snake the Sniper

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230 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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As time is relative, as you approach c, time would slow to the point where the light leaving the ship appears to be travelling at c. As said above, once you read into particle physics fully, you're head will either explode, or you're eyes will go all funny. If you read a book on it and think you've got it, you are either much smarter than most, or you really didn't get it at all!
For a starter for 10, have a look at wave-particle duality. That should either get you interested, or make you run for the hills.

thinfourth2

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233 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
thinfourth2 said:
Where as a ET on a rock watching the beam of light come past him also sees the beam of light traveling at the speed of light
So ET sees the beam of light and the spaceship travelling at about the same speed?
Yep makes no sense what so ever

ZR1cliff

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278 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Who needs lights when you can have Advanced Radar Sonar Equipment, or A.R.S.E for short.

Bushmaster

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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If there were a second spaceship moving at around lightspeed, ahead ofour spaceship and going in the same direction and we wanted to flash our lights to get him to move over, would he see us?

Snake the Sniper

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230 months

Saturday 31st January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
If there were a second spaceship moving at around lightspeed, ahead ofour spaceship and going in the same direction and we wanted to flash our lights to get him to move over, would he see us?
Yes. Although since space is pretty big, you should be able to safely pull off a nice banana over take, just to annoy all the rospa types.

thinfourth2

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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Bushmaster said:
If there were a second spaceship moving at around lightspeed, ahead ofour spaceship and going in the same direction and we wanted to flash our lights to get him to move over, would he see us?
Yep he would see the beam traveling past him at the speed of light

its particle physics its not meant to make sense

Urban_Ninja

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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as the ship is projecting the light GOING AT nearly the speed of light, as the light leaves the bulbs it would then be travelling at the same velosity as the ship, so then it would be going nearly twice the speed of light (if thats possable)


think of it like when you throw something out of a moving car hard and foward, cos its matching velosity with the car you throwing it will add extra speed and will go foward like you threw it standing on the ground [minus the air friction]biggrin


HTH

Edited by Urban_Ninja on Saturday 31st January 11:34

Snake the Sniper

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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Urban_Ninja said:
as the ship is projecting the light GOING AT nearly the speed of light, as the light leaves the bulbs it would then be travelling at the same velosity as the ship, so then it would be going nearly twice the speed of light (if thats possable)


think of it like when you throw something out of a moving car hard and foward, cos its matching velosity with the car you throwing it will add extra speed and will go foward like you threw it standing on the ground [minus the air friction]biggrin


HTH

Edited by Urban_Ninja on Saturday 31st January 11:34
Only works at low speeds. As you approach c, all the normal rules go straight out the window.

jkennyd

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Saturday 31st January 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
The magic thing about the speed of light is it is a constant no matter who the observer is
Haven't they just discovered this this is no longer the case in certain environments