Law in Guantanamo - whose?
Discussion
Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Just curious what "laws" are relevent on American Airbases - Guantanamo, Italy, UK etc. Since it's firmly established that neither American nor local (Cuban) laws have no jurisdiction in Guantanamo, the same surely must be true of US Airbases elsewhere.
I don't know this for sure, but I would hazard a guess that US airbases are subject to the same US military laws as those on home soil. I can't see the Yanks letting anyone tell them what laws are allowed on their bases, as long as they have no adverse affect on the local non-American population, of course.
Is Guantanamo even an airbase?
Hopefully a knowledgable American will be along to straighten this out for us soon.
MAM
elster said:
tinman0 said:
It could depend on the piece of land. An airbase in Germany is probably subject to German law as the airbase is simply leased. Whereas Gitmo is a piece of land owned by the US Govt on the island of Cuba.
I thought foreign Military bases had the same rules as embassy's.wiki said:
Extraterritoriality is the state of being exempt from the jurisdiction of local law, usually as the result of diplomatic negotiations. Extraterritoriality can also be applied to physical places, such as embassies, consulates, or military bases of foreign countries, or offices of the United Nations. These places remain the sovereign territories of the guest country, and although they are not subject to local law, local law enforcement agencies do have the duties of protecting them from outside disturbances and can in some cases arrest a person there for crimes committed on the host state's soil.
350GT said:
How come Gitmo is even there? How did the US get it, and manage to keep it, after the sanctions, etc? If it is Cuban land, and they oppose them being there, how the hell are they still there?
Believe it or not they lease it from Cuba Part of the terms of the lease is both parties have to agree to terminate it ,hence why they are still there.
That's insane.
Proof positive that politicians, whatever ideological claptrap they come out with, are a bunch of cynical w
kers beyond comparisson with any of us mere mortals. I'd love to have heard that deal being struck:
GWB: "Hi Fidel, just wondered if you'd want to make a bit of money by leasing us some of your land to set up a torture camp, only being a democracy it's a bit difficult here with all those journalists and civil rights types... bloody commies"
FC: "Yeah, always happy to make a bit of money. No problem with do gooders here, I've killed them all already. I suppose I ought to kick up a fuss about you bullying the poor and down trodden of the world, but what the fk, my people think I need a new speedboat, so my people shall have it!"
Proof positive that politicians, whatever ideological claptrap they come out with, are a bunch of cynical w
kers beyond comparisson with any of us mere mortals. I'd love to have heard that deal being struck:GWB: "Hi Fidel, just wondered if you'd want to make a bit of money by leasing us some of your land to set up a torture camp, only being a democracy it's a bit difficult here with all those journalists and civil rights types... bloody commies"
FC: "Yeah, always happy to make a bit of money. No problem with do gooders here, I've killed them all already. I suppose I ought to kick up a fuss about you bullying the poor and down trodden of the world, but what the f
k, my people think I need a new speedboat, so my people shall have it!"
AJS- said:
That's insane.
Proof positive that politicians, whatever ideological claptrap they come out with, are a bunch of cynical wkers beyond comparisson with any of us mere mortals. I'd love to have heard that deal being struck:
GWB: "Hi Fidel, just wondered if you'd want to make a bit of money by leasing us some of your land to set up a torture camp, only being a democracy it's a bit difficult here with all those journalists and civil rights types... bloody commies"
FC: "Yeah, always happy to make a bit of money. No problem with do gooders here, I've killed them all already. I suppose I ought to kick up a fuss about you bullying the poor and down trodden of the world, but what the fk, my people think I need a new speedboat, so my people shall have it!"
That lease was set up many, many....and many years ago. Proof positive that politicians, whatever ideological claptrap they come out with, are a bunch of cynical w
kers beyond comparisson with any of us mere mortals. I'd love to have heard that deal being struck:GWB: "Hi Fidel, just wondered if you'd want to make a bit of money by leasing us some of your land to set up a torture camp, only being a democracy it's a bit difficult here with all those journalists and civil rights types... bloody commies"
FC: "Yeah, always happy to make a bit of money. No problem with do gooders here, I've killed them all already. I suppose I ought to kick up a fuss about you bullying the poor and down trodden of the world, but what the f
k, my people think I need a new speedboat, so my people shall have it!"
fluffnik said:
AJS- said:
That's insane.
Proof positive that politicians, whatever ideological claptrap they come out with, are a bunch of cynical wkers beyond comparisson with any of us mere mortals. I'd love to have heard that deal being struck:
The US occupation of Gitmo pre-dates Castro...Proof positive that politicians, whatever ideological claptrap they come out with, are a bunch of cynical w
kers beyond comparisson with any of us mere mortals. I'd love to have heard that deal being struck:We have a Naval Base at Guantanamo bay, and that's where our little terrorist jail is located.
Quick History: Spanish American War, we take Cuba from Spain along with the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Guam. A few years later, we grant Cuba independence but part of the agreement was that we have an indefinite lease on Guantanamo Bay, in order for the lease to be terminated, both parties have to agree to it.
Of course Castro hates the fact that we have a base there, but it's not like we're about to give it up, it's too much fun to piss Castro off.
Quick History: Spanish American War, we take Cuba from Spain along with the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Guam. A few years later, we grant Cuba independence but part of the agreement was that we have an indefinite lease on Guantanamo Bay, in order for the lease to be terminated, both parties have to agree to it.
Of course Castro hates the fact that we have a base there, but it's not like we're about to give it up, it's too much fun to piss Castro off.
Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Just curious what "laws" are relevent on American Airbases - Guantanamo, Italy, UK etc. Since it's firmly established that neither American nor local (Cuban) laws have no jurisdiction in Guantanamo, the same surely must be true of US Airbases elsewhere.
I believe that a Military base is subject to the laws of the Nation who occupies the Base.For example, I am British because I was born in a foreign land but in a British Military Hospital.
elster said:
350GT said:
How come Gitmo is even there? How did the US get it, and manage to keep it, after the sanctions, etc? If it is Cuban land, and they oppose them being there, how the hell are they still there?
It is rented.I kid you not.
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