Obama wants 'pay-per-mile' driving
Discussion
If America falls to this insidious 'spy-in-the-car' charging technology it will make it more likely in the UK:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx...
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx...
Edited by BigLepton on Friday 20th February 10:27
The article says
"a North Carolina panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax."
so for 100 mile drive they would pay 25 cents.
Which would be fine imo except here it will likely be 10p a mile and then maybe £1 a mile around cities.
"a North Carolina panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax."
so for 100 mile drive they would pay 25 cents.
Which would be fine imo except here it will likely be 10p a mile and then maybe £1 a mile around cities.
hornetrider said:
That whole article is nonsense. Why not just raise the tax on gas a bit ffs.
No disrespect to you but I do wish people would open their eyes.Back in the late 70's when this, tax on fuel instead, argument/discussion started most people were for abolishing tax & putting it on fuel, as people rightly thought it would be a fairer system.
So what do you think happened?? the government of the time did put tax on fuel & kept increasing it. But they also kept road tax & later changed that to vehicle excise duty, which incidentally is going to dramatically increase soon.
So I do wish people would stop saying, "Why don't they just raise the tax on fuel". They do raise tax on fuel regularly, why do you think our fuel is almost the most expensive in the world. Yet we still pay road tax & soon we will be paying by the mile as well, not to menthion congestion charges.
Now I know we are not America but the point I'm making is relevant here or there. They will bring in pay per mile & they will raise tax on fuel & they will keep increasing both these taxes, they will never do one or the other.
109 Bob said:
hornetrider said:
That whole article is nonsense. Why not just raise the tax on gas a bit ffs.
No disrespect to you but I do wish people would open their eyes.They are considering introducing a costly GPS system to monitor vehicles when a simple extra tax on fuel would achieve exactly the same, with less cost to the govt (and hence the taxpayer).
I fail to understand how you can, er, fail to understand the concept.
The rest of your rant is rather irrelevant in this context.
109 Bob said:
No disrespect to you but I do wish people would open their eyes.
Back in the late 70's when this, tax on fuel instead, argument/discussion started most people were for abolishing tax & putting it on fuel, as people rightly thought it would be a fairer system.
So what do you think happened?? the government of the time did put tax on fuel & kept increasing it. But they also kept road tax & later changed that to vehicle excise duty, which incidentally is going to dramatically increase soon.
So I do wish people would stop saying, "Why don't they just raise the tax on fuel". They do raise tax on fuel regularly, why do you think our fuel is almost the most expensive in the world. Yet we still pay road tax & soon we will be paying by the mile as well, not to menthion congestion charges.
Now I know we are not America but the point I'm making is relevant here or there. They will bring in pay per mile & they will raise tax on fuel & they will keep increasing both these taxes, they will never do one or the other.
What he said... we already have a pay per mile system via the fuel duty!Back in the late 70's when this, tax on fuel instead, argument/discussion started most people were for abolishing tax & putting it on fuel, as people rightly thought it would be a fairer system.
So what do you think happened?? the government of the time did put tax on fuel & kept increasing it. But they also kept road tax & later changed that to vehicle excise duty, which incidentally is going to dramatically increase soon.
So I do wish people would stop saying, "Why don't they just raise the tax on fuel". They do raise tax on fuel regularly, why do you think our fuel is almost the most expensive in the world. Yet we still pay road tax & soon we will be paying by the mile as well, not to menthion congestion charges.
Now I know we are not America but the point I'm making is relevant here or there. They will bring in pay per mile & they will raise tax on fuel & they will keep increasing both these taxes, they will never do one or the other.
hornetrider said:
109 Bob said:
hornetrider said:
That whole article is nonsense. Why not just raise the tax on gas a bit ffs.
No disrespect to you but I do wish people would open their eyes.They are considering introducing a costly GPS system to monitor vehicles when a simple extra tax on fuel would achieve exactly the same, with less cost to the govt (and hence the taxpayer).
I fail to understand how you can, er, fail to understand the concept.
The rest of your rant is rather irrelevant in this context.
What I am saying is not irrelevant & I'm not the one failing to understand. It's as simple as this, They will raise the tax on fuel as you suggest but also they will introduce pay per mile as well & keep increasing both these taxes on a regular basis.
Edited by 109 Bob on Friday 20th February 11:37
109 Bob said:
they will introduce pay per mile as well & keep increasing both
Good job the UK electorate has more sense, with the resounding rejection of the Manchester pilot scheme.
Congestion charging and road pricing have now got politicians on the back foot. Workplace parking charges are the final area they need teaching a lesson, UK folk and especially midlanders click here
109 Bob said:
What I am saying is not irrelevant & I'm not the one failing to understand. It's as simple as this, They will raise the tax on fuel as you suggest but also they will introduce pay per mile as well & keep increasing both these taxes on a regular basis.
it can be made even more simple;Edited by 109 Bob on Friday 20th February 11:37
- don't bother implementing an expensive PPM GPS system to generate a tax
- increase fuel duty
you get the same tax without having to instal, run and maintain a new system thereby increasing the yield of the tax
hornetrider said:
I fail to understand how you can, er, fail to understand the concept.
I think what you fail to understand is that it isn't all about economics with governments. They want to increase their tax take from motorists but to do so with a straight and obvious fuel duty hike will be unpopular. If you can mask the increase by changing from a simple system to a complex one, it will benefit the government as it is not as clear to the public whether it is costing them more or less.The real advantage to the government however is the piece of kit added to every vehicle. They then have sole access to a huge database of driving habits and information which they will then sell as marketing information to third parties whilst simultaneously having huge control over individuals by knowing their every move.
It's not just about greenbacks.
sleep envy said:
109 Bob said:
What I am saying is not irrelevant & I'm not the one failing to understand. It's as simple as this, They will raise the tax on fuel as you suggest but also they will introduce pay per mile as well & keep increasing both these taxes on a regular basis.
it can be made even more simple;Edited by 109 Bob on Friday 20th February 11:37
- don't bother implementing an expensive PPM GPS system to generate a tax
- increase fuel duty
you get the same tax without having to instal, run and maintain a new system thereby increasing the yield of the tax
109 Bob said:
But surely you don't get the same amount of tax.
why not? if you increase the fuel duty to an extent level with PPM GPS then you can levy the same amount109 Bob said:
If you do install the expensive GPS system then the motorist is going to pay twice.
three times actually - once on the fuel, once to pay for the GPS system and then on the cost per mile
109 Bob said:
The system will pay for it self in short time
short while? 
the congestion charge hardly pays for itself now and that's on an area of less than 5 square miles109 Bob said:
when it comes to increases in duty, a few pence/cents on each is easier for the motorist to stomach than a one lump increase on fuel.
you mean it's easier for the public to swallow a tax that is levied in two parts - you're still paying the same amount albeit in different waysit's a pointless exercise
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