Why is this man here?

[odyssey2200]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art...


He is not a UK citizen and was arrested in pakistan.

Now how much are the inquiries, appeals, dole, compensation going to cost us?

[scorp]

If the UK government was complicit in having him tortured then shouldn't he be eligible for compensation ? Or do we now officially condone torture ?

[RacerMDR]

scorp said:

If the UK government was complicit in having him tortured then shouldn't he be eligible for compensation ? Or do we now officially condone torture ?

sorry - but I do - under the right circumstances

[odyssey2200]

define torture?

If every lowlife from around the world suddenly decides "it was the british that done it", it's a free meal ticket from there onwards!

[sone]

We just love throwing money at things. I'm sure we will be compensating the families of the suicide bombers in London soon. Some one somewhere will work out a link and we will pay.

The British tax payer - a soft touch

[richyb]

We're a soft touch.

[Mark V8]

richyb said:

We're a soft touch.

Ah, but WE are not.

[sstein]

scorp said:

If the UK government was complicit in having him tortured then shouldn't he be eligible for compensation ?

The article doesn't explain what, if anything, he was charged with or why he was held for so long ?


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Stuart

Edited by sstein on Monday 23 February 18:37

[scorp]

RacerMDR said:

scorp said:

If the UK government was complicit in having him tortured then shouldn't he be eligible for compensation ? Or do we now officially condone torture ?

sorry - but I do - under the right circumstances

That's not what millipede has been saying on the BBC. I'd like to see how he squirms his way out of this one.

[paddyhasneeds]

Naive question but does "UK resident" mean UK citizenship or just living here?

Maybe I'm being a little harsh but do, for example, the Spanish or the Saudi's go to bat in quite the same way for British citizens resident in their countries?

[odyssey2200]

As I understand it

He is an Ethiopian who lived here for a while but was arrested BY THE AMERICANS (not the British) in pakistan.

Now he can see Shami chakrawassername getting him an easy life and a load of cash

If he has been freed then he should be repatriated back to Ethiopia not the UK.

[scorp]

paddyhasneeds said:

Naive question but does "UK resident" mean UK citizenship or just living here?

Maybe I'm being a little harsh but do, for example, the Spanish or the Saudi's go to bat in quite the same way for British citizens resident in their countries?

Quite obviously there is a pecking order in the world, with USA citizens being virtually untouchable (hell, you can't even extradite a US citizen).. all the way down to brown people at the bottom, who are evidently fair game for torture..

[odyssey2200]

scorp said:

paddyhasneeds said:

Naive question but does "UK resident" mean UK citizenship or just living here?

Maybe I'm being a little harsh but do, for example, the Spanish or the Saudi's go to bat in quite the same way for British citizens resident in their countries?

Quite obviously there is a pecking order in the world, with USA citizens being virtually untouchable (hell, you can't even extradite a US citizen).. all the way down to brown people at the bottom, who are evidently fair game for torture and eligible for endless handouts from the british tax payer! ..

EFA

[deckster]

mickken said:

scorp said:

If the UK government was complicit in having him tortured then shouldn't he be eligible for compensation ? Or do we now officially condone torture ?

Yep, ceack on. He went there to promote Jihad against the infidels and was caught in a house with known terrorists. Bang to rights....bullet in head.

Oh goody, it's PrejudgingHeads again tonight is it? It bears saying again; the US held him for four years and signally failed to turn up anything substantive against him. But that's OK we can shoot him anyway, because he's obviously guilty innit.

[Jetl3on]

I was thinking about this the other day, apparently there are hundreds of Dentention centers around the world where the CIA and other government agencies keep suspects without charge illegally. There are a number of human rights groups campaigning to have these camps closed.

Is it possible to fight an enemy on such a global scale without the advantage of a little rule breaking? apparently the chances of reducing terrorist activity are increased tenfold by using methods the general public would not condone, to extract information. Obviously this method is not foolproof as some are innocent, but I cant help but think, the end justifies the means.

[Chainguy]

And another piece of ste washes up on the UK's shores.

He is not a UK citizen. He is another immigrant terrorist. Something the Uk seems to have a thriving industry in. He needs to be shipped from these shores, along with the hordes of Jihad exponents who also reside here.

Uk. Love it, or leave it. I's that simple.

ARE YOU fkING LISTENING GORDON.

[sstein]

Jetl3on said:

I was thinking about this the other day, apparently there are hundreds of Dentention centers around the world where the CIA and other government agencies keep suspects without charge illegally. There are a number of human rights groups campaigning to have these camps closed.

Is it possible to fight an enemy on such a global scale without the advantage of a little rule breaking? apparently the chances of reducing terrorist activity are increased tenfold by using methods the general public would not condone, to extract information. Obviously this method is not foolproof as some are innocent, but I cant help but think, the end justifies the means.

Until you are the innocent one being tortured. You may think it's fine when it's the brown people with beards being tortured. One day though it could be you. Everyone is guilty nowadays, the government just needs time to think up the law they can prosecute you under

For a western, supposedly civilised, state to torture anyone, let alone an innocent person is just as worse of a crime as the the terrorist commit (IMO).

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Stuart

[s3fella]

odyssey2200 said:

As I understand it

He is an Ethiopian who lived here for a while but was arrested BY THE AMERICANS (not the British) in pakistan.

Now he can see Shami chakrawassername getting him an easy life and a load of cash

If he has been freed then he should be repatriated back to Ethiopia not the UK.

not uk citizen. lived here for a few months with "questionable" status in 2001....flew to pakistan in july 01, went to training camps in pakistan and afghanistan, then was arrested at Karrachi airport trying to fly to Britain on a FALSE passport. Interrogated by US, renditioned to Morrocco, interrogated by US, then sent to Gitmo.

So, yes, exactly why he is our problem now, I am not sure.

[Chainguy]

When it stops being brown people with beards doing the terrorist bombings Stuart, fair point.

Torture makes people think of Iron Maidens and thumbscrews etc. I have no probelm with the types used, waterboarding and loud music.

[odyssey2200]

Chainguy said:

When it stops being brown people with beards doing the terrorist bombings Stuart, fair point.

nail, head